Crime What did the cops do wrong today Megathread Vol. 6 ? (who knows, lots of cop threads)

oldshadow said:
Forgot one if you on parole per the release conditions you are subject to search anytime and that I believe includes anything in your possession. Like a vehicle you are in control of or in most places a home you are in.

I believe I have that correct.
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Good call! 4) Custodial searches. Which includes people incarcerated and on parole. Also includes people on electronic monitoring (like Cain).
 
Joshuaace said:
Yes they were.


Wrong. Mimms authorizes the inconvenience of briefly removing someone from their places(vehicle) for Officer safety. It does not authorize the search of their Person, places, or things; which is a much greater intrusion. Exiting the vehicle wasn't the justification for the "frisk" in Mimms, the observance of a pistol shaped bulge in his pocket is what rightly authorized that frisk. It still takes the requirements set forth in Terry to justify a frisk. Simply exiting a vehicle to be face to face at the Officers request, doesn't by itself justify a Terry frisk.

In the Kary Jarvis case the investigation was over, except they hadn't searched him yet, and they were hell bent on doing just that. Shit like this isn't uncommon at all.
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One thing is with a terry frisk pat down it's intended to be a brief frisk for weapons because the person is not in-custody. If there's long extensive interview and questioning involved that takes 10+ minutes that's more than a terry frisk pat down to me because it is entering into the in-custody realm.
 
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Just be careful when talking about terry frisk pat down and investigative detention as it can be tricky. The whole synopsis behind terry frisk is it's intended to be brief in nature.

Under the given circumstances if an officer has a lawful reason to hold them or not
 
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This one isn't so much the cops, but the horrible judge who did something wrong.

 
spamking said:
This one isn't so much the cops, but the horrible judge who did something wrong.

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I saw that one. My favorite part was when all of the cops started shooting that guy. Sumbitch must have looked like swiss cheese after that
 
Man, I almost spit out my coffee laughing reading this story. Video in the link.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fleeing-florida-motorcyclist-flips-off-035016557.html
Fleeing Florida motorcyclist flips off police before getting hit by truck

A Florida motorcyclist is facing multiple charges after he blew through a red light while fleeing from local police and flipping them off seconds before getting T-boned by an oncoming truck.

"Here's a good way to get yourself killed," the Volusia County Sheriff's Office wrote in a Facebook post.

The three-minute video shared by police shows Deputy Bissonnete attempt to pull over a group of motorcyclists who were "popping wheelies" late on Friday, March 3. The group ignored authorities requests to pull over and decided to speed off, leading police on a high-speed chase.

Dashcam footage shows the group of motorcyclists recklessly weaving in between cars at a high speed. When approaching a red light, the group ignored it and continued fleeing from deputies.

One of the motorcyclists, Joshua Richardson, looked back and flipped police the bird before continuing to travel into the intersection – directly into the path of an oncoming truck.

Richardson miraculously survived the crash and briefly attempted to run on foot before he was apprehended by police.

On body camera footage released by the Volusia County Sheriff's Office, Richardson is seen writhing on the ground and telling deputies he is in a lot of pain.

"I'm hurt," Richardson is heard saying as he lies on the ground while deputies handcuff him.

"Idiot," one of the deputies said.

"I know," Richardson responded.

After deputies handcuffed him, Richardson is heard in bodycam footage complaining with police.

"You know how your leg doesn't get hurt?" one of the deputies asked. "You don't run from the cops and crash your bike."

"Do you think this is funny?" Richardson asked.

"No, I don't think it's funny. It's incredibly stupid," another deputy responded.

"We're being chased by 12 cops in the middle of nowhere. What am I supposed to do?" Richardson asked.

"Stop and figure out why we're chasing you," the deputies stated.

Richardson was charged with fleeing or attempting to elude law enforcement, resisting without violence and leaving the scene of a crash. He is also receiving traffic citations for failure to stop at a red light and passing in a no-pass zone.

The Volusia Sheriff's Office did not share if the truck driver or any of the passengers in the vehicle were injured, or if the other reckless motorcyclists were apprehended.
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nhbbear said:
I disagree with you, therefore I was a dirty cop. Stfu stooge. They know this guy. They knew ti look for needles. Even knew that he had just gotten out. They know his violent past or potential for it and for being armed. This would pass terry all day long
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No, it would not, and did not. It presumably got shot down at a hearing for pre-trial motions that were filed by a Public Defender. I say that because Jarvis was in jail without bond for a year before the Judge saw the video. An effective Defense of Jarvis would have been, 1) Motion to Discover, 2) Watch video, 3) File Motion to Dismiss, and Motions to Suppress(Bet your Ass that Terry was cited in those Motions). Mind you, those Motions would have to be heard by the Court in timely fashion. 4) Present video to Judge. As a reminder, the Judge said "the videos are the best evidence of what occurred that day". 5) Celebrate the suppression of all evidence and dismissal of all charges. A decent Defense Attorney with a reasonable case load should have had the video in front of a Judge about 10.5 Months sooner than it was.

The video is a text book example of an investigative detention that exceeds the scope of it's authority, resulting in an unlawful detention. Dirty Cops made a false arrest, and malicious Prosecution tried to secure a conviction based on that wrongful arrest. Glad this came before a competent Judge.

You can make up hypotheticals about what the Officers could have said and done; but their actual words and actions were recorded.
 
Joshuaace said:
No, it would not, and did not. It presumably got shot down at a hearing for pre-trial motions that were filed by a Public Defender. I say that because Jarvis was in jail without bond for a year before the Judge saw the video. An effective Defense of Jarvis would have been, 1) Motion to Discover, 2) Watch video, 3) File Motion to Dismiss, and Motions to Suppress(Bet your Ass that Terry was cited in those Motions). Mind you, those Motions would have to be heard by the Court in timely fashion. 4) Present video to Judge. As a reminder, the Judge said "the videos are the best evidence of what occurred that day". 5) Celebrate the suppression of all evidence and dismissal of all charges. A decent Defense Attorney with a reasonable case load should have had the video in front of a Judge about 10.5 Months sooner than it was.

The video is a text book example of an investigative detention that exceeds the scope of it's authority, resulting in an unlawful detention. Dirty Cops made a false arrest, and malicious Prosecution tried to secure a conviction based on that wrongful arrest. Glad this came before a competent Judge.

You can make up hypotheticals about what the Officers could have said and done; but their actual words and actions were recorded.
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I said that before it was pointed out that they were releasing him on a warning. I had the video playing while playing call of duty so i did not catch that part. Based on his furtive movements they absolutely could have told him to step out of the car and patted him down.
 
nhbbear said:
Based on his furtive movements they absolutely could have told him to step out of the car and patted him down.
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Wrong again. Like I said, you know enough about Case Law to be a danger to yourself and others. This is literally from the decision in Mimms:

"The State does not, and need not, go so far as to suggest that an officer may frisk the occupants of any car stopped for a traffic violation. Rather, it only argues that it is permissible to order the driver out of the car. In this particular case, argues the State, once the driver alighted, the officer had independent reason to suspect criminal activity and present danger, and it was upon this basis, and not the mere fact that respondent had committed a traffic violation, that he conducted the search."

Read that, and then get help comprehending it. It is saying that It wasn't the act of exiting the vehicle that justified the frisk of Mimms, it was the observance of the gun shaped object in Mimms clothing that justified the frisk. It was only then that all the conditions for a valid Terry frisk were present. I've told you this multiple times now.

Now redirect your attention to Terry:

" We merely hold today that, where a police officer observes unusual conduct which leads him reasonably to conclude in light of his experience that criminal activity may be afoot and that the persons with whom he is dealing may be armed and presently dangerous, where, in the course of investigating this behavior, he identifies himself as a policeman and makes reasonable inquiries, and where nothing in the initial stages of the encounter serves to dispel his reasonable fear for his own or others' safety,"

Voluntarily exiting the vehicle is both cooperative in nature, and removes any fears that weapons inside the vehicle could be used against the Officer. That goes a long way in dispelling reasonable fear, caused by sneaky movements, observed by someone else, 10 minutes prior.

 
DEVILsSON said:
Good news for Ukraine if the 5 to 1 losses for Russia are to be taken at face value in Bakhmut.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/zelenskyy-ukraine-sees-most-significant-210418643.html
"Zelenskyy: Ukraine sees some of the most significant results in Bakhmut since start of war
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Ukrainska Pravda
Mon, March 6, 2023 at 1:04 PM PST·2 min read


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    Volodymyr Zelensky
    President of Ukraine since 2019


President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has commented on the decision to continue defending the city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine, saying that Ukraine is seeing some of the most significant results in the city since the beginning of the war.

Source: President Zelenskyy’s video address

Quote from Zelenskyy: "Bakhmut has delivered and is delivering one of the greatest results during this war, during the entire battle for Donbas. And I thank every soldier who is fighting in this most difficult area, who is fighting for all parts of our country, on all fronts."

Details: Zelenskyy also spoke in detail about today’s meeting of the Staff of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, where attendees heard reports on the situation in Bakhmut. He said he had directly asked Valerii Zaluzhnyi, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and Oleksandr Syrskyi, Commander of the Ground Forces and Commander of the Eastern Group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, whether the Ukrainian Armed Forces should withdraw from the city.

Both generals replied, "Do not withdraw" and instead recommended reinforcing the Ukrainian positions on the Bakhmut front. Zelenskyy said the Staff unanimously agreed with this decision. The president asked Zaluzhnyi to find reinforcements to support the defence of Bakhmut.

He added, "There is no part of Ukraine about which one can say that it can be abandoned. There is no Ukrainian trench in which the resilience and heroism of our warriors would be disregarded."

Previously: Bild, a German tabloid, speculated that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appeared to have had a dispute with Valerii Zaluzhnyi, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, over the battle for the city of Bakhmut, which has been under repeated Russian attacks since summer 2022.

Background:

  • President Zelenskyy and Ukraine’s Defence Ministry have repeatedly emphasised that Russia appears not to care about the scale of its losses on the Bakhmut front.

  • On 6 March, CNN reported that the Russian occupation forces have lost five times more soldiers in the battles for Bakhmut in Donetsk Oblast than the Ukrainian defence forces.
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Wrong thread.
 
nhbbear said:
Fair enough. I was going to mention that of those millions of interactions that go without incident, there are plenty of shady shit cops do that isn’t on video. I am aware of that.

Tyre Nichols and Daniel shaver(though he was shooting a pellet gun at people from hotel window) aside, the most common theme amongst people killed by cops is that they run or fight with police. Yet, often, because they are the right shade of melanin to make some money, the media and attorneys will say shit like “a red light shouldn’t be a death sentence.” No, but fleeing a traffic stop when getting pulled over for a red light, then fighting with police and grabbing their guns-is.

Look at some of the big names of the last few years. Duante wright-had warrants, resisted arrest, and was trying to get into the car to flee arrest when he was accidentally shot by Kim potter. Riots and lawsuits abound. Jacob Blake-raped his ex, showed up at her house with a warrant for his arrest and in violation of a protective order, fought with police (was tased to no effect) while having a knife and tried to flee with children inside the vehicle he was trying to steal-crazy riots-I mean, fiery but mostly peaceful protests, lawsuits, Kyle rittenhouse, etc. And through the whole thing, his rape victim was completely ignored and ben crump or some other slimy piece of shit, paid her off to remain silent (an educated guess).

Dijoun kizzee fled police for a simple traffic stop on a bike he was weaving in and out of traffic going the wrong way. Would have been a ticket or don’t Do that shit talk. Instead, he fell and dropped a stolen gun and ran back to pick it up when he was shot. All on video. Riots. Two cops were ambushed and shot in the face in retaliation.

And my favorite, Alton sterling, Baton Rouge. Convicted :eek::eek::eek::eek: that threatened a store owner with a gun. He was selling stolen cds in the store lot and the owner told him to leave and he pulled the gun. Police called. They move in to check sterling for a weapon and he tries to escape. Fight is on. Ends up on the pavement and he keeps trying to get the gun out of his pocket when he is shot and killed. Riots. Millions in settlement money, and at least six officers murdered over this one. One in Baton Rouge and five or six in Dallas.

This is all to illustrate that not only is grifting lucrative, but it is absolutely dangerous and lethal when you keep telling people the police are hunting your people to make yourself more money. ben crump is the worst along with talcum x
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And then there's people like Elijah McClain whose crime consisted of wearing a ski mask in cold weather and was basically tortured to death by cops. Or Philandro Castile, a legal gun owner who was gunned down in his car after informing police he was armed. As far as I know none of the cops were fired let alone charged with a crime as they should've been.

That's the issue, you can talk about how there's millions of police interactions and these are only a few bad apples but when police are bad apples they are protected by the blue wall of silence. It also misses the point that there are many negative interactions that people have with police that don't get recorded or publicized and its usually an accumulation of such interactions that leads to deep distrust. Ferguson is a good example, the Mike Brown shooting was stultified but the 2nd DOJ report looking into the FPD showed that the PD regularly violated the rights of the citizens in the area and specifically targeted blacks for fines to help fund the city budget. If you live under such a PD of course you're not going to trust them when they claim their shootings are justified.
 
Islam Imamate said:
And then there's people like Elijah McClain whose crime consisted of wearing a ski mask in cold weather and was basically tortured to death by cops. Or Philandro Castile, a legal gun owner who was gunned down in his car after informing police he was armed. As far as I know none of the cops were fired let alone charged with a crime as they should've been.

That's the issue, you can talk about how there's millions of police interactions and these are only a few bad apples but when police are bad apples they are protected by the blue wall of silence. It also misses the point that there are many negative interactions that people have with police that don't get recorded or publicized and its usually an accumulation of such interactions that leads to deep distrust. Ferguson is a good example, the Mike Brown shooting was stultified but the 2nd DOJ report looking into the FPD showed that the PD regularly violated the rights of the citizens in the area and specifically targeted blacks for fines to help fund the city budget. If you live under such a PD of course you're not going to trust them when they claim their shootings are justified.
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The philando castille shooting was especially bad. I was clamoring for charges on that one. Andre Hill in Columbus not far from me was bad-charges came in that one. Elijah McCain did lead to charges for five first responders. Again, a ridiculous outcome to a non-issue call or stop. This was pre-Covid so masks weren’t yet a thing, and wearing a mask isn’t suspicious especially in cold weather. If he was creeping around, I would understand the suspicion but he was just walking.

Did you think you would get pushback on those from me? I have discussed those cases before and I think there should have been more outrage from both sides on castille-especially the nra and gun rights groups, but maybe he was the wrong shade of American for them?

And yea, there are plenty of dirty shit going on not caught on camera. I am against all dirty cops. Fuck them. They make the job harder for everyone in the field. But why is it always the shitheads that people riot for? Why is the mike browns, duante wrights, alton sterlings, dijoun kizzees of the world and not the Castilles? No charges on that one. Why do people see themselves in some of the “victims” but not the others? Because riotous shitheads gonna shithead and raise a ruckus while the shithead “victims” were causing crime and pain in the community. sterling was a fucking :eek::eek::eek::eek: for gods sake. blake was a fucking rapist of a black mother of 3 or 4? rashard brooks grabbed a cops taser and pointed it at his face and was shot and Atlanta rioted and a little girl was murdered and almost no one can tell you her name-just from memory, sequoia Turner i believe. Let’s riot over them and gloss over their victims. I can’t imagine how blake’s victim felt in all of this-though she got hush money to be sure, but stand up, Jacob, take a bow-you got the whole country in bated breath over you. I simply don’t get it. The bigger the piece of shit, the bigger the fuss. George Floyd was a victim of police brutality-but fucking world wide attention? When the community worries as much about street violence and toddlers getting shot, I will cut them some slack for their priceless shitheads
 
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