What are sups made of ?

[Trabaho]

Not as lame as failing to achieve your goals.

Did you achieve your goals ?

 

[Trabaho]

You don't really have to count. You just know after a while. You know you need to eat how many grams per day. You know how much protein you get from shakes, bars or regular meals that you eat. Even your snacks such as nuts have protein.

You aren't going to shrivel if you go under. You just got to do it for a week then you figure what 30-50 grams of protein looks like.

I used to do that when I was 18. No thank you. My brain capacity and memory is used for different things.

 

[NoSmilez]

I used to do that when I was 18. No thank you. My brain capacity and memory is used for different things.

You can remember the ult for all the heroes for Dota. Just knowing how 30 grams of chicken, beef and pork looks like isn’t that hard. Just eat that amount 6-7 times a day. You can even eat two servings in one shot

 

[Trabaho]

You can remember the ult for all the heroes for Dota. Just knowing how 30 grams of chicken, beef and pork looks like isn’t that hard. Just eat that amount 6-7 times a day. You can even eat two servings in one shot

I'm in the top 21% player base of 7.6 milion so I play better than 5.5 milion other shit heads ? Being Legend 2 rank.
And the game is like 20 years old so we all play well. Mid rank guys got 5000 games. A game averages 40 minutes. Actually high rank also got 2-7k games. I'd guess the average overal might be 4k games. I got a guy in my friend list who has like 17k games and is guardian 2. That's a extremely low rank.

Remember all the ults, are you kidding me ? I know all the ults, regular skills (min 3 per hero), facets (2 per hero, rarely 3), inate, movement speed, all the items (maybe 100?), neutral items (way less than regular) of about 130 heroes. Or was it just 115. It's 115-130. I know each heroes primary stat too, agility stregth inteligence universal. Each heroes name ofc and remember some old names as Dota 1 they had 2. One real name one class name. Like Sven was Rogue Knight / Sven. Shadow Shamam - Rasta. Spirit Breaker - Bara. I know what items every hero in the game likes to build.

So that's thousands stats that I know.

So why would I eye meassure chicken. First of all I don't know how much chicken I want to eat. Also minced beef and chicken wings got calories from fat.
I just naturaly eat "high" protein and have to keep an eye out to cut fat sugar and carbs. And to eat more vegetables. I also naturally eat a lot of fruit. A lot.
Also I value healthy over high protein.

 

[1rawdog]

@Trabaho if you are worried about what supplements are made of you should decide right now whether you want to continue with them or not regardless of what you find out. I'll give you one but not the details. A bunch of supplements, medications and foods contain a component made from at least partially from mold. The list is even bigger if you want to count the items that used mold in the production process. It's possible you currently are taking it right now.

For me source material usually is not that important, you have to look at the compound as a whole. The hair example earlier in the thread is a good example, it's all cooked and chemically treated so much as to be unrecognizable so who cares. Fair play if someone finds it gross, just saying it doesn't worry me.

 

[Trabaho]

@Trabaho if you are worried about what supplements are made of you should decide right now whether you want to continue with them or not regardless of what you find out. I'll give you one but not the details. A bunch of supplements, medications and foods contain a component made from at least partially from mold. The list is even bigger if you want to count the items that used mold in the production process. It's possible you currently are taking it right now.

For me source material usually is not that important, you have to look at the compound as a whole. The hair example earlier in the thread is a good example, it's all cooked and chemically treated so much as to be unrecognizable so who cares. Fair play if someone finds it gross, just saying it doesn't worry me.

My thing is I´m hung up on if it´s natural. Not if it´s gross. I ate frogs 3 x, actually in recent years. Frog legs.
My brother says we tried snails as kid I don´t remember it but I musst´ve been a different kid cause I fucking hate bugs and snails. Actually eating clams is eating snails out of the ocean which I did.
Red color in candy is from crushed bugs.
Most nasty is gelatine, if you are eating sweet candy gums you are eating it with cow or pig bones.
Mold ? Well I´ve eaten blue cheese before. Didn´t realise what it was. Did like it. Not buying again.
I am easily disgusted by food. I gotta make chicken really dry and crispy.
I ate raw fish before. Ate raw pork houndreds times. Its called prsut / prscuttio which is basically air dried pork in salt lake. I did try raw fish a few times, don´t enjoy it. I love calamary, not sure if anyone finds it repulsive. Octopus legs are nice too.
Wait supplement powder is nasty to you ? It´s just powder, dry. Not slimey.

I just asume that labor made vitamins and sups might be really bad for the body.

 

[wufabufa]

Did you achieve your goals ?

Through counting macros? Yeah, I can lose and gain weight with great consistency and reliability when I'm accountable for the food entering my body. Measuring cups, a food scale, and Cronometer make it piss simple. Takes less than 10 mins to figure out my calories/macros for the day. Like what @NoSmilez said, once you've figured portion sizes of the typical foods you eat when following a diet you don't really even need to count things up any more.

Generally speaking, it seems like when you start these threads you're just looking for confirmation bias. You're asking for advice but when you get it, and it doesn't parallel your bad habits you push back I won't speak for the other posters here, but I don't think many people here are going to tell you exactly what you want to hear. This is a story as old as time in this part of the forums. Sometimes it feels like I'm shouting at a brick wall. I'm not trying to be rude, just an observation.

 

[NoSmilez]

So why would I eye meassure chicken. First of all I don't know how much chicken I want to eat. Also minced beef and chicken wings got calories from fat.
I just naturaly eat "high" protein and have to keep an eye out to cut fat sugar and carbs. And to eat more vegetables. I also naturally eat a lot of fruit. A lot.
Also I value healthy over high protein.

It’s easy. You will also know rough estimate of how much calories in each meal. I There are certain rules that are easy to follow. Palm size is one serving. You also learn what is one serving of rice just by eye. Breads and cheeses are also easy to estimate.

You honestly aren’t going to get leaner unless you eat less and move more. You need to figure how much you need to eat to maintain your bodyweight and how many calories to lose 1-2 lbs a week. You don’t have to track but the scale doesn’t lie. If you are estimating correctly then the scale will go down. You are stubborn but I am pretty sure you understand you can't out train a bad diet. It's like being a carry without last hitting properly.

I am not being a Debbie Downer but the scenario is like the other sherbro who is like 5'5 and 300 lbs that talks about training programs. He would ask about the common ways to do/improve something. Everyone chimes in then he goes fuck nah I am going to do some dumb fuck program from 100 years ago or following anime philosophy. It’s like doing the same stupid shit over and over again. He isn’t going to get a different result.

 

[1rawdog]

My thing is I´m hung up on if it´s natural. Not if it´s gross. ... My point "if you are worried about what supplements are made of you should decide right now whether you want to continue with them or not regardless of what you find out." still stands, maybe even more so.
Wait supplement powder is nasty to you ? It´s just powder, dry. Not slimey. I never said anything like that, this is the weirdest forum for that, you and another guy in particular have such a hard time staying on track and putting words in peoples mouths.

I just asume that labor made vitamins and sups might be really bad for the body. Not a good assumption IMO

 

[Trabaho]

Through counting macros? Yeah, I can lose and gain weight with great consistency and reliability when I'm accountable for the food entering my body. Measuring cups, a food scale, and Cronometer make it piss simple. Takes less than 10 mins to figure out my calories/macros for the day. Like what @NoSmilez said, once you've figured portion sizes of the typical foods you eat when following a diet you don't really even need to count things up any more.

Generally speaking, it seems like when you start these threads you're just looking for confirmation bias. You're asking for advice but when you get it, and it doesn't parallel your bad habits you push back I won't speak for the other posters here, but I don't think many people here are going to tell you exactly what you want to hear. This is a story as old as time in this part of the forums. Sometimes it feels like I'm shouting at a brick wall. I'm not trying to be rude, just an observation.

nah that is on you. I didn´t ask if I need extra protein or how much it costs or if I should count calories. I didn´t mention macros. You did. I simply put the question into the room what are our sups made of ? Is it natural. If it´s artifical, how does it affect us ? Does our body build muscle and take in vitamins from artifical substances. That was what the thread was about. Not macros and hitting protein. But don´t worry we all do that. We all will lean into the angle of the thread that interests us the most. It´s normal.

I was like what the hell is this amino powder and these vitamin pills even made from ?

I know whey comes from cheese production.

I am into extracted food parts. But I don´t know bout synthetic nutrients. Does my body know what to do with it.

To me a calorie is not a calorie. As food contains calories but food items got their properties, they contain calories but aren´t calories. I am a chemistry lab not a math equation. Bilogical not numerological. Even though maths is everywhere and that´s why I am a bit fat, I didn´t consider the quantities just the qualites of foods.

 

[Trabaho]

My thing is I´m hung up on if it´s natural. Not if it´s gross. ... My point "if you are worried about what supplements are made of you should decide right now whether you want to continue with them or not regardless of what you find out." still stands, maybe even more so.
Wait supplement powder is nasty to you ? It´s just powder, dry. Not slimey. I never said anything like that, this is the weirdest forum for that, you and another guy in particular have such a hard time staying on track and putting words in peoples mouths.

I just asume that labor made vitamins and sups might be really bad for the body. Not a good assumption IMO

That doesn´t make one bit sense. Why should I decide if I want to take supplements before I find out what they are made of and regardless of it ?

 

[Trabaho]

It’s easy. You will also know rough estimate of how much calories in each meal. I There are certain rules that are easy to follow. Palm size is one serving. You also learn what is one serving of rice just by eye. Breads and cheeses are also easy to estimate.

You honestly aren’t going to get leaner unless you eat less and move more. You need to figure how much you need to eat to maintain your bodyweight and how many calories to lose 1-2 lbs a week. You don’t have to track but the scale doesn’t lie. If you are estimating correctly then the scale will go down.

I´m following the thoughts

You are stubborn

I am EXTREMELY stubborn. As kid my mom called me often tvrdoglav which means stubborn or literal translation hard headed. Or nedokazan - translation would be unproven. Like you can´t prove something to me. Of course that is just her born in the 40ies or whenever generational clash without interet existing in her times

but I am pretty sure you understand you can't out train a bad diet.

It´s not a bad diet. It´s a good diet with too much food. You can be lean and have a bad diet. My recent blood work showed that at 182 cm (So say 6 foot) 116 kg I do not have high cholesterol levels or anything else wrong with me like kidney function besides my vampiric lack of vitamin D, which I now suplement. Even my medication induced liver marker (1 out of 3) went down from like 76 to 54 without even fully getting of the medication, healthy level is under 50. Other 2 are like 27 ect. My kidneys work properly. My blood pressure is healthy. I am not unhealthy nor eat a bad diet. I am good in all exisitng vitamins besides D due to sunlight.

However the exces fat comes from too much calories. Too much food. Too much fat and carbs. Eating too much healthy food still gains you fat. Belly fat is known to not be healthy.

It's like being a carry without last hitting properly.

yep yep. I last hit decently. mechanics. Habbits. That is actually macro and not micro. In nutrition macro are carbs fat protein and micro are vitamin and minerals. Phytonutrients are perhaps micro too. However a whole food item is always different than just macros micros, micros macros are just parts of food items, they are not the whole food item.

I am not being a Debbie Downer but the scenario is like the other sherbro who is like 5'5 and 300 lbs that talks about training programs. He would ask about the common ways to do/improve something. Everyone chimes in then he goes fuck nah I am going to do some dumb fuck program from 100 years ago or following anime philosophy. It’s like doing the same stupid shit over and over again. He isn’t going to get a different result.

I know who you mean I bullied him too. Wait this thread was questions about what supps are made from and you guys bomb me with count macros eat such and such quantities of protein ?

It´s not a fat loss question thread or protein goals but a thread of what are our supplements made of. How are they made. What materials. Laboratory synthesis or naturaly extracted.

Knowledge is nicer than just doing something I don´t fully understand.

But 100% true that I eat too many calories and got fat to lose by reducing cals. That is obvious, simple and true. And counting cals would work but it´s not part of my lifestlye philosophy. If I count cals I got less memory and cognitive energy left for other things. I accept people being pea and grape counters on a daily basis. Actually you said palm and cup measurements. Nah I ain´t counting. I go for intuitive eating, healthy eating, diverse food choices.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

It´s not a bad diet. It´s a good diet with too much food.

 

[shunyata]

Getting to the heart of your question, it varies depending on which substance we're talking about.

Herbal extracts may be a water extraction of that plant.

Vitamins are quite different.

Here's vitamin c / ascorbic acid as an example sourced from wikipedia.

"Natural biosynthesis of vitamin C occurs through various processes in many plants and animals.

Industrial preparation​

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Seventy percent of the world's supply of ascorbic acid is produced in China. Ascorbic acid is prepared in industry from glucose in a method based on the historical Reichstein process. In the first of a five-step process, glucose is catalytically hydrogenated to sorbitol, which is then oxidized by the microorganism Acetobacter suboxydans to sorbose. Only one of the six hydroxy groups is oxidized by this enzymatic reaction. From this point, two routes are available. Treatment of the product with acetone in the presence of an acid catalyst converts four of the remaining hydroxyl groups to acetals. The unprotected hydroxyl group is oxidized to the carboxylic acid by reaction with the catalytic oxidant TEMPO (regenerated by sodium hypochlorite – bleaching solution). Historically, industrial preparation via the Reichstein process used potassium permanganate as the bleaching solution. Acid-catalyzed hydrolysis of this product performs the dual function of removing the two acetal groups and ring-closing lactonization. This step yields ascorbic acid. Each of the five steps has a yield larger than 90%.

A biotechnological process, first developed in China in the 1960s but further developed in the 1990s, bypassing acetone-protecting groups. A second genetically modified microbe species, such as mutant Erwinia, among others, oxidises sorbose into 2-ketogluconic acid (2-KGA), which can then undergo ring-closing lactonization via dehydration. This method is used in the predominant process used by the ascorbic acid industry in China, which supplies 70% of the world's ascorbic acid. Researchers are exploring means for one-step fermentation.

Long story short, we use GMO microbes to manufacture ascorbic acid out of glucose.