What’s the Most Valuable Asset in a Fighter ?

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one punch KO Power, Granite Chin, or Elite Cardio?

If you had to pick just one attribute for a fighter to have at a high level, which would it be and why?

One-punch knockout power can change a fight instantly, a granite chin lets you walk through hell and keep coming, and elite cardio can overwhelm and break opponents over time.
 
none of those. its wrestling. as ben askren has already shown, you can get to the top with just that and nothing else. no chin, no striking, descent cardio, but.....phenominal wrestling. the most dominant one FC and bellator champion ever, fits the definition of a one dimensional fighter to a tee.
 
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witt1021 said:
none of those. its wrestling. as ben askren has already shown, you can get to the top with just that and nothing else. no chin, no striking, descent cardio, but.....phenominal wrestling. the most dominant one FC and bellator champion ever, fits the definition of a one dimensional fighter to a tee.
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Amend to "grappling" and you have a point. There's a learning curve (and guys with wrestling backgrounds are clearly on a sharp one to be fair) for what overall MMA grappling is vs just wrestling. Askren had to get up to speed quickly on sub defense, how to throw gnp without being swept, etc.

You couldn't pull Kyle Dake out of the wrestling room with no knowledge of overall MMA grappling and expect him to succeed. It's just easy to turn elite wrestlers into elite MMA grapplers if they put in the work.
 
witt1021 said:
none of those. its wrestling. as ben askren has already shown, you can get to the top with just that and nothing else. no chin, no striking, descent cardio, but.....phenominal wrestling. the most dominant one FC and bellator champion ever, fits the definition of a one dimensional fighter to a tee.
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I agree. If you can largely dictate where the fight takes place that's a big advantage. But I wouldn't say that Askren had no chin. He took a savage beating from an absolute savage in Robbie Lawler and came through. Anyone on the planet gets planked from swan diving into that Masvidal flying knee and while Jake Paul isn't a top tier boxer by any stretch of the imagination, he's quite a bit bigger than Askren and the guy DOES pack a punch.
 
non punchers do ok, you can work on cardio, having no chin is a disaster
 
y’all trippin - it’s chin without a doubt

If I have a granite chin I can fight any style. Wrestler with a chin is unfair — Khabib, Belal etc

Also allows you to cut more weight, fight at lower weight class —— Max Holloway

So much flexibility
 
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TempleoftheDog said:
Heart.

Don’t just be out there looking for a paycheque. If you face adversity, and can come back from it.

You have heart.
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Huh. Anyone that says that is typically talking about someone getting their ass kicked and cant be put away.
 
mkess101 said:
Amend to "grappling" and you have a point. There's a learning curve (and guys with wrestling backgrounds are clearly on a sharp one to be fair) for what overall MMA grappling is vs just wrestling. Askren had to get up to speed quickly on sub defense, how to throw gnp without being swept, etc.

You couldn't pull Kyle Dake out of the wrestling room with no knowledge of overall MMA grappling and expect him to succeed. It's just easy to turn elite wrestlers into elite MMA grapplers if they put in the work.
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Elite wrestling by itself obviously isn't enough but I do think specifying "wrestling" is correct. Plenty of great BJJ guys can't takedown a wet paper bag and that's why you see them get tuned up by the first striker with any semblance of TDD they face. Wrestling basically boils down to the art of taking people down, establishing top control, and avoiding the same. That's really damn handy in an MMA fight but yeah, no one single asset is the magic solution like it was in the old days. In the beginning, the BJJ guys were subbing everyone because no one else had sub defense. They could takedown the pure strikers and they'd catch the wrestlers from the bottom. Then the wrestlers learned sub D and they dominated. They could takedown the strikers and they learned to control the BJJ guys without getting caught in a sub. Then the strikers learned TDD and the sprawl and brawlers had their day in the sun. Now in modern MMA you have to be well rounded to be a championship tier fighter, at least defensively. Even elite specialists like Poatan and Izzy had to develop good TDD and clinch work to climb the top rungs of the ladder
 
linvillegorge said:
Elite wrestling by itself obviously isn't enough but I do think specifying "wrestling" is correct. Plenty of great BJJ guys can't takedown a wet paper bag and that's why you see them get tuned up by the first striker with any semblance of TDD they face. Wrestling basically boils down to the art of taking people down, establishing top control, and avoiding the same. That's really damn handy in an MMA fight but yeah, no one single asset is the magic solution like it was in the old days. In the beginning, the BJJ guys were subbing everyone because no one else had sub defense. They could takedown the pure strikers and they'd catch the wrestlers from the bottom. Then the wrestlers learned sub D and they dominated. They could takedown the strikers and they learned to control the BJJ guys without getting caught in a sub. Then the strikers learned TDD and the sprawl and brawlers had their day in the sun. Now in modern MMA you have to be well rounded to be a championship tier fighter, at least defensively. Even elite specialists like Poatan and Izzy had to develop good TDD and clinch work to climb the top rungs of the ladder
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Yeah phrasing can vary, it depends on how "wrestling" is used. You can have great MMA wrestling (the ability to take guys down and control them without the threat of subbing them) and be successful. It incorporates other types of grappling, but "wrestling" does get used as a catch-all too.
 
TrueBias said:
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Huh. Anyone that says that is typically talking about someone getting their ass kicked and cant be put away.
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Lol, yup. You don't even need to be watching the screen, but when you hear any annoucer(s) going "He's just got so much heart", you KNOW there's a one-way ass-whoopin going on.
 
Chin, you can lack in any other area but you can composente with other assets or your style but not chin, it doesn't matter you are elite or gifterd in any other area, sooner or later you will be touched and if you have a glass jaw no other elite skill will save you.
 
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