Westside for skinny bastards

Thanks.

Yea, I saw a different vid from Rip about FS being good for oly lifters, that's why I started doing them.
 
I'm a 16 year old wrestler and SS has become very boring for me as well, to the point that I just don't want to go lift anymore. I'm wrestling twice a week on Tuesday and Thursday, and it's becoming somewhat tiring and bland doing the same two workouts for weeks and months on end. Would WS4SB or a two day a week program of some type also be a good program to improve my strength?
 
Perfect Moo said:
I'm a 16 year old wrestler and SS has become very boring for me as well, to the point that I just don't want to go lift anymore. I'm wrestling twice a week on Tuesday and Thursday, and it's becoming somewhat tiring and bland doing the same two workouts for weeks and months on end. Would WS4SB or a two day a week program of some type also be a good program to improve my strength?
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Changing programs won't solve the bold. They might seem a fix, but it's just a temporary shove off until you get tired of those programs as well. I would be happy that I'm getting stronger session to session because a time will come when that will be long gone.
 
Perfect Moo said:
I'm a 16 year old wrestler and SS has become very boring for me as well, to the point that I just don't want to go lift anymore. I'm wrestling twice a week on Tuesday and Thursday, and it's becoming somewhat tiring and bland doing the same two workouts for weeks and months on end. Would WS4SB or a two day a week program of some type also be a good program to improve my strength?
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While SS is a great program, it is only great if you stick with it. So basically, any program that is proven would be good for you as long as you stick with it.

You should read up on several different routines and do the one that interest you the most. Check out Juggernaut, Texas Method, 5/3/1, etc.
 
PowerHungry said:
Changing programs won't solve the bold. They might seem a fix, but it's just a temporary shove off until you get tired of those programs as well. I would be happy that I'm getting stronger session to session because a time will come when that will be long gone.
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I disagree. I would say that one of the biggest knocks on SS is that it can become very bland. As long as he is doing a good program, I don't see a problem in doing one that has more variety.
 
LitteringAnd said:
I disagree. I would say that one of the biggest knocks on SS is that it can become very bland. As long as he is doing a good program, I don't see a problem in doing one that has more variety.
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I don't disagree with your larger point that there is burnout and needing a mental switch can be an issue.

But a few factors

1. If he switches too soon off SS and goes for more variety, he could be robbing himself of making the most of his "noob gains" from linear periodization.

2. Like Carnal says in the treatise, the biggest factor in lifting is making the commitment to going to the gym week in, week out and getting your lifts in and continuing to make progress. OP said he was 16 and if he's anything like I was when I was 16 (which of course isn't a given, he's already further than I was just by being here and competing in wrestling) he might have a bit of program ADHD. I think it's important to get at the root of his issue if possible. Perhaps, he is ready to move on to a program with a little more variation, but I don't think that should be dictated by "I'm bored" but moreso by current lifting numbers and number of weeks on the program.
 
PowerHungry said:
the biggest factor in lifting is making the commitment to going to the gym week in, week out and getting your lifts in and continuing to make progress.
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I agree with both of your points as well. The biggest thing I was getting at is the above sentence. I would just hate for the poster who is frustrated with SS to stop lifting because he has become miserable with the program. It might be a bit foolish to delay any noob gains that you could get from SS, but it would be far worse to quit strength training all together.
 
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Perfect Moo said:
I'm a 16 year old wrestler and SS has become very boring for me as well, to the point that I just don't want to go lift anymore. I'm wrestling twice a week on Tuesday and Thursday, and it's becoming somewhat tiring and bland doing the same two workouts for weeks and months on end. Would WS4SB or a two day a week program of some type also be a good program to improve my strength?
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To me this just sounds like you need a training buddy and to update your ipod.

But of course I am no master lifter, infact I just worked out what back squats are (I just call them squats as to me they are the standard).
 
HIMBOB said:
To me this just sounds like you need a training buddy and to update your ipod.

But of course I am no master lifter, infact I just worked out what back squats are (I just call them squats as to me they are the standard).
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My friends are all pussies and I don't have an ipod.
 
Perfect Moo said:
My friends are all pussies and I don't have an ipod.
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If you are strength training for a sport then you should just man up and continue doing starting strength until you have finished the program. If lifting is just a hobby for you, then do whatever program makes you happy.
 
LitteringAnd said:
If you are strength training for a sport then you should just man up and continue doing starting strength until you have finished the program. If lifting is just a hobby for you, then do whatever program makes you happy.
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I'm not planning on stopping training, but I'm just looking to make it less boring.
 
Perfect Moo said:
I'm not planning on stopping training, but I'm just looking to make it less boring.
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Personally, I think it's okay to switch workouts to one you find more fun and which is easier to get motivated for.

W4SB is a 4-day a week programme. If you want to do a 2-day split that allows a lot of variety, you should do 5/3/1 or the Juggernaut Method.
 
JauntyAngle said:
There's no link to this in the Beginners/Intermediate Programmes FAQ update, or any information on real Westside (although there is some in the Dave Tate Periodization Bible). Quite an omission!
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I have made the best gains on Westside, and its always fun because chains and bands are involved.
 
pjmeunyc12 said:
I have made the best gains on Westside, and its always fun because chains and bands are involved.
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I'd like to give it a go sometime. Can you get enough variety in your squat just by doing work with chains and bands? I don't think I can get those fancy bars.
 
JauntyAngle said:
I'd like to give it a go sometime. Can you get enough variety in your squat just by doing work with chains and bands? I don't think I can get those fancy bars.
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Why not start by listing the squat variations you can do with just those things?

High bar squats
High bar pause squats
High bar squats off pins
Front squats
Front pause squats
Front squats off pins
Low bar squats
Low bar pause squats
Low bar squats off pins
Low bar box squats

I haven't even started listing variations with bands or chains yet. All of the above can be done with chains, bands or reverse bands. Which gives us 30 variations of squats. That's not even going into different heights of box or pins. You could add even more variety with a manta ray. And now we're close to 60.

Oh, I forgot about zerchers. So it's probably closer to 80.
 
JauntyAngle said:
Personally, I think it's okay to switch workouts to one you find more fun and which is easier to get motivated for.

W4SB is a 4-day a week programme. If you want to do a 2-day split that allows a lot of variety, you should do 5/3/1 or the Juggernaut Method.
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What the devil is the Juggernaut method?
 
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