West Virginia teacher strike

[Byron Carter]

Stupidest combination of statements I've read in a while.

The teachers at private schools and charters are the same fucking pool of teachers that stock the public schools. There's no mystical pool of elite teachers waiting for private/charter job opportunities, lol.

If a private school is offering pay of 55k/year, and a public school is offering pay of 40k/year - which school is going to get the better teachers?

Capitalism is a winning concept.

 

[ultramanhyata]

I'm suggesting we funnel the gifted kids, to better schools, and allow the kids who need special help - to get it. Including the disciplinary ones.

You obviously have no kids in public school and no fucking clue as to how public schools operate today. Testing to identify gifted students in order to place them in academically segregated classrooms/schools is part of the system.

 

[Byron Carter]

You obviously have no kids in public school and no fucking clue as to how public schools operate today. Testing to identify gifted students in order to place them in academically segregated classrooms/schools is part of the system.

No, I wouldn't send my kids to public school. I actually love them.

 

[The ScorpioN]

It's bizarre to me that so many people think private schools are the answer when teachers at private schools generally have significantly less to do in terms of proving their qualifications as teachers.

But if private school kids outperform their peers (I don't know if that's true), maybe there's something to it.

 

[Swing]

But if private school kids outperform their peers (I don't know if that's true), maybe there's something to it.

Kids who go to private schools do better overall, is my understanding. But the question is does the same kid do better if he starts going to a private school. As in is it really the private school that makes the difference or is it more a matter of who the kid is. I linked a Stanford article earlier that states voucher programs don't noticeably improve student performance, which leads me to think it's less the quality of the private schools themselves (obviously some of the high end private schools employ terrific teachers).

 

[The ScorpioN]

Kids who go to private schools do better overall, is my understanding. But the question is does the same kid do better if he starts going to a private school. As in is it really the private school that makes the difference or is it more a matter of who the kid is. I linked a Stanford article earlier that states voucher programs don't noticeably improve student performance, which leads me to think it's less the quality of the private schools themselves (obviously some of the high end private schools employ terrific teachers).

Would a voucher program reduce cost though?

If you reduce cost with no difference in achievement, that's a net positive.

Disclaimer, I've no idea about outcomes/financing of voucher vs public. Just trying to understand the subject a bit better.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Yes. Everyone has the same opportunity.

But in the American Spirit - if you suck, you starve. If you perform well, you're rewarded.

We can even have more recess, and more perks for being in the higher rated schools. So it's not just rewarding kids with a heavier work load, but we can make the schools more like a college atmosphere, where kids have academic freedom and flexibility. The weaker your performance or behavior, the less privileges you have.

When was that the American spirit. 200 years ago?

Luckily your thinking died out long long ago.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

If a private school is offering pay of 55k/year, and a public school is offering pay of 40k/year - which school is going to get the better teachers?

Capitalism is a winning concept.

That's not true at all. Catholic schools are private schools and some do not offer good pensions, medical plans or tenure.

 

[Swing]

Would a voucher program reduce cost though?

If you reduce cost with no difference in achievement, that's a net positive.

Disclaimer, I've no idea about outcomes/financing of voucher vs public. Just trying to understand the subject a bit better.

I don't know, honestly. I doubt it, though. If you think about it, moving kids around is going to cost money. I found this, but I've got to go to bed. I'm not really sure how much depth it goes into as far as the nuts and bolts of funding and cost.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

I agree with this to an extent, but public education is also a public service.

In addition to bright, normal functioning kids, Down Syndrome kids, autistic kids and just plain stupid kids also need an environment where they can go everyday to be socialized and taught life skills.

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If you socialize too much in school you will get yelled at. Most of the school day is spent in a classroom. Teachers want your attention. And then you suppose to do work.

The only socializing is PE, lunch, recess (which disappears by HS). Public school as in the US is the worst place to learn life skills. It is basically a prison. I learned cheating, stealing, pouring milk over some poor saps head, and bullying.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Stupidest combination of statements I've read in a while.

The teachers at private schools and charters are the same fucking pool of teachers that stock the public schools. There's no mystical pool of elite teachers waiting for private/charter job opportunities, lol.

And some private schools have less stringent hiring requirements than public schools do.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Public school is trash.

Most teachers shouldn't be teaching.

School choice and vouchers are the only solution.

Finland has one of the highest rated education systems in the world and they have outlawed private schools. If private schools are so great why are they BTFO the greatest country in the world?

 

[woodguyatl]

If a private school is offering pay of 55k/year, and a public school is offering pay of 40k/year - which school is going to get the better teachers?

Capitalism is a winning concept.

Private schools typically pay less than public schools and don’t have the retirement benefits.

 

[nhbbear]

http://wvpublic.org/post/west-virginia-teacher-work-stoppage-hits-pivotal-day-monday

anyone live in west virginia? Neither side has a viable long term option. I'm very concerned about keeping spending down and not a big fan of one size fit all government especially on local issues. Currently, the state legislature sets the pay scale. So I say let's deregulate and have less government and more school choice.

Get rid of statewide teaching requirements and continuing education and instead let individual county school districts decide if a candidate is qualified or not. Let individual school district negotiate wages rather than be forced to pay some big brother rate. Together, these that will increase local control wile increasing the supply of teachers and let the market drive down prices. Also it gives more freedom at the local level for officials who want to priorities other services such as public safety or business development. Over time, this will highlight the top performering schools and allow counties to compete for students based off instructor quality.

I drive by and honk support for them, but finding someone to watch my kids is becoming increasingly difficult. My wife is a college professor and all of the other professors are taking their kids to school and actually teaching them. I am actually going up today to teach an hour on police officers and safety with firearms and other dangers for children. Everyone is pitching in to make sure our kids are busy and still learning.

The state of wv pays everyone too little, save the lawyer who make a killing. There are more lawyers here than anything else because it is a legal sbithole. For the past six years, health insurance cost have gone up every year. If you get a raise, of say 1 or 2%, that is exactly how much the health care cost increase. We used to have three choices, now we only have one plan to choose. The teachers at episodes because of the same thing-health Insurance cost keep going up while pay stays the same. With the second lowest wage for teachers in the country, they need to do something to stop the exodus of teachers and other professionals in the state. Other states refer to a mass exodus as a West Virginia exit! That is saying something. Give the teachers a five percent raise and stop jacking up healthcare.

I don’t know if it is the insurance companies, or Obamacare-that is the reason I was given by my employer several years ago.

 

[Limeade]

http://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article202484574.html

it looks like the strike should be ending with teachers gaining a 5% increase and deferment on paying extra in health insurance.

Will the state pay for this in a deficit neutral way? what would be some options --- an off setting cut in another expenditure or raising taxes and fees?

 

[Voltron]

Public school is trash.

Most teachers shouldn't be teaching.

School choice and vouchers are the only solution.

This is the dumbest shit I have seen on sherdog so far and believe me is see some crazy coments all the Time.
Keep the good work soon.....

 

[nefti]

Parents should be give the choice via vouchers. School teachers aren't the problem, incompetent mangement is.