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I don't think she'll be blackballed for her arrogant and tone deaf interviews. But the whole Palestine thing will definitely kill it.
Social West Side Story Star Rachel Zegler to Lead Disney Snow White Remake
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I don't think she'll be blackballed for her arrogant and tone deaf interviews. But the whole Palestine thing will definitely kill it.
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I guess they could have called it Snow Brown.
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Because I'll assume you're confused by my reaction:
Dwarfism - Symptoms and causes
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Dwarfism - Wikipedia
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Still catching up but wanted to chime in, I too thought the naming of the medical condition was based on folklore as well and found it in bad taste but interesting to read your input Mick.Maybe, maybe not. I actually read the tale again only a few years ago in Grimm's, and I don't recall them having any special powers, or being distinguished in any appreciable way other than they lived in the forest, and were miners, and did not have any supernatural powers like Rumpelskiltskin, the kobolds, or other dwarves from old Germanic/Norse folklore.
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The thing I recall was that Snow White was, IIRC, only 12-years-old. That was the part that stood out.
On the flipside, giantism is the medical condition of largeness but there's no colloquial terminology of calling folks with it "giants"
Yeah, maybe "she's a giant lady"
But not "she's a giant"
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The right term is "gigantism" I had a brain fart
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Lead actress is a cunt of the highest order so this isn't surprising
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No, don't think so. The earliest usage of the term I could find from the OED used in a modern medical context was from 1865.
Dwarf - Etymology, Origin & Meaning
Originating from Old English and Proto-Germanic, dwarf means a very short human or supernatural being; verb form means to stunt growth or make something appear sm...
As I said, the Old English use of the word goes back to 700. This predates the mythological use from any culture. And the usage of that term associated with medical illness (as human dwarfs are often deformed) goes back just as far.
It would be an interesting question to pose to an academic whether or not the dwarfs in "Little Snow White" were originally intended to be part of a separate race, or merely humans. Normally I wouldn't care. But the reason it suddenly becomes interesting to me in the context of this thread is because of Peter Dinklage. After all, I read the post with his comments from the podcast where he is ranting about this primitive old tale being retold. Yet if Snow White's dwarfs were part of the mythological race of dwarfs, how is it offensive? Is he also offended by Rumpelstiltskin?
The earliest mythological use of the term was in Scandinavian folklore from the 1200's and 1300's. There was a particular tradition within that where they were dark and shadowy supernatural creatures, associated with elves, which I'm assuming is the inspiration for AD&D's dark elves that ironically aren't terribly similar. In fact, apparently Grimm surmised that dwarfs were the original dark half after a mythological splintering of a "proto-elf". Most on Sherdog might recognize dark elves because of how Marvel reimagined them in the origin story of Loki, also drawn from Norse mythology, in the second Thor movie. I'm assuming this is the mythological source of what would later become Goethe's Erlkonig; the Erlking is a dark supernatural spirit, a fairy, a wood elf. This is a tale of a dark elf I think most of us might recognize in that tradition. But it wasn't the only tradition. There were others.
The mythology trickled down into mainland Europe and Germanic myth. The OED mentions:
b.A.1.b One of a supposed race of diminutive beings, who figure in Teutonic and esp. Scandinavian mythology and folk-lore; often identified with the elves, and supposed to be endowed with special skill in working metals, etc.
This would seem to match the dwarfs from Snow White. Not necessarily supernatural. But a different race, yes.
You'll also notice on the Ety page Grimm himself quoted from his Teutonic Mythology describing how this mythological race of dwarfs shrunk from mankind, and represented a sort of lingering spirit of naturalism resisting civilization-- technology, urban development, and Christianity-- but not necessarily in a malevolent way. He wasn't referencing the dwarfs in Snow White in that passage, but they fit at least in the sense that they were hermits in the hills. I found another reference to dwarfs in Grimm's work that jives with them:
"With our people a favourite mode of representing translation is to shut up the enchanted inside a mountain, the earth, so to
speak, letting herself be opened to receive them. More than one idea may be at work here together: motherly earth hides the
dead in her bosom, and the world of souls is an underground world; elves and dwarfs are imagined living inside mountains, not so much in the depths of the earth as in hills and rocks that rise above the level ground; but popular forms of cursing choose
all manner of phrases to express the very lowest abyss."
They also build a crystal sarcophagus for Snow White which isn't metal, but would be similar to how they fashioned fine jewelry as the four dwarves did the Brisingamen for Freya which is a tale that seems to have deeply fascinated Jakob Grimm.
On the other hand, consider that there was a Russian tale drawn from their own early oral traditions that is almost identical to Little Snow White. You have to wonder if the tale traveled, and spanned continents. In this version, like in Little Snow White, the seven men are also not supernatural, and not dwarfs at all, but bogatyrs, or knights-errant:
The Tale of the Dead Princess and the Seven Knights - Wikipedia
In so many ways they're not at all like most dwarfs I've ever known from Germanic myth. There's shitloads of old tiny creatures in German myth: dwarfs, imps, kobolds, gnomes, sprites, goblins, and many others by many other names, often used interchangeably. They always seem to be little shits. Almost always they're mischievous, or tricksters, sometimes they're downright evil. Often they inhabit homes or castles. They steal or kill children. They take what's dearest to you. They meddle with what you love, they undo your toil. They revel in tormenting us mortals. You'll notice on the Ety page the mention of gnomes springing from the same dwarf root, in Swiss & Germanic folklore, who were garden dwellers, and inspired those ceramic little statues we know today.
They're not at all like the dwarfs in Snow White. Which might suggest that the Russian tale predated the Germanic tale, orally, where they weren't dwarfs at all. Maybe it all got enmeshed and embellished.
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No, don't think so. The earliest usage of the term I could find from the OED used in a modern medical context was from 1865.
Dwarf - Etymology, Origin & Meaning
Originating from Old English and Proto-Germanic, dwarf means a very short human or supernatural being; verb form means to stunt growth or make something appear sm...www.etymonline.com
As I said, the Old English use of the word goes back to 700. This predates the mythological use from any culture. And the usage of that term associated with medical illness (as human dwarfs are often deformed) goes back just as far.
It would be an interesting question to pose to an academic whether or not the dwarfs in "Little Snow White" were originally intended to be part of a separate race, or merely humans. Normally I wouldn't care. But the reason it suddenly becomes interesting to me in the context of this thread is because of Peter Dinklage. After all, I read the post with his comments from the podcast where he is ranting about this primitive old tale being retold. Yet if Snow White's dwarfs were part of the mythological race of dwarfs, how is it offensive? Is he also offended by Rumpelstiltskin?
The earliest mythological use of the term was in Scandinavian folklore from the 1200's and 1300's. There was a particular tradition within that where they were dark and shadowy supernatural creatures, associated with elves, which I'm assuming is the inspiration for AD&D creatures like the dark elves which ironically don't resemble them. In fact, apparently Grimm surmised that dwarfs were the original dark half after a mythological splintering of a "proto-elf". Most on Sherdog might recognize dark elves because of how Marvel reimagined them in the origin story of Loki, also drawn from Norse mythology, in the second Thor movie. I'm assuming this is the mythological source of what would later become Goethe's Erlkonig; the Erlking is a dark supernatural spirit, a fairy, a wood elf. This is a tale of a dark elf I think most of us might recognize in that tradition. But it wasn't the only tradition. There were others.
The mythology trickled down into mainland Europe and Germanic myth. The OED mentions:
b.A.1.b One of a supposed race of diminutive beings, who figure in Teutonic and esp. Scandinavian mythology and folk-lore; often identified with the elves, and supposed to be endowed with special skill in working metals, etc.
This would seem to match the dwarfs from Snow White. Not necessarily supernatural. But a different race, yes.
You'll also notice on the Ety page Grimm himself quoted from his Teutonic Mythology describing how this mythological race of dwarfs shrunk from mankind, and represented a sort of lingering spirit of naturalism resisting civilization-- technology, urban development, and Christianity-- but not necessarily in a malevolent way. He wasn't referencing the dwarfs in Snow White in that passage, but they fit at least in the sense that they were hermits in the hills. I found another reference to dwarfs in Grimm's work that jives with them:
"With our people a favourite mode of representing translation is to shut up the enchanted inside a mountain, the earth, so to
speak, letting herself be opened to receive them. More than one idea may be at work here together: motherly earth hides the
dead in her bosom, and the world of souls is an underground world; elves and dwarfs are imagined living inside mountains, not so much in the depths of the earth as in hills and rocks that rise above the level ground; but popular forms of cursing choose
all manner of phrases to express the very lowest abyss."
They also build a crystal sarcophagus for Snow White which isn't metal, but would be similar to how they fashioned fine jewelry as the four dwarves did the Brisingamen for Freya which is a tale that seems to have deeply fascinated Jakob Grimm.
On the other hand, consider that there was a Russian tale drawn from their own early oral traditions that is almost identical to Little Snow White. You have to wonder if the tale traveled, and spanned continents. In this version, like in Little Snow White, the seven men are also not supernatural, and not dwarfs at all, but bogatyrs, or knights-errant:
The Tale of the Dead Princess and the Seven Knights - Wikipedia
In so many ways they're not at all like most dwarfs I've ever known from Germanic myth. There's shitloads of old tiny creatures in German myth: dwarfs, imps, kobolds, gnomes, sprites, goblins, and many others by many other names, often used interchangeably. They always seem to be little shits. Almost always they're mischievous, or tricksters, sometimes they're downright evil. Often they inhabit homes or castles. They steal or kill children. They take what's dearest to you. They meddle with what you love, they undo your toil. They revel in tormenting us mortals. You'll notice on the Ety page the mention of gnomes springing from the same dwarf root, in Swiss & Germanic folklore, who were garden dwellers, and inspired those ceramic little statues we know today.
They're not at all like the dwarfs in Snow White. Which might suggest that the Russian tale predated the Germanic tale, orally, where they weren't dwarfs at all. Maybe it all got enmeshed and embellished.
Weren't the dwarves in the cartoon miners? That's closely associated with fantasy dwarves.
They were apparently miners in the original story too.
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I was talking about the original oral folkloric tale as documented by the Grimm brothers, but yes, the original Disney cartoon has that in common.
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After dark the masters of the house returned home. They were the seven dwarfs who picked and dug for ore in the mountains.
So she kept house for them. Every morning they went into the mountains looking for ore and gold
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Yes, as I said, the cartoon and the fairy tale had this in common, and these were traits consistent with dwarfs as a separate race in the mythological Teutonic tradition. This is from the "for" category which definitely appears stronger than the "against".
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Wow lots to consider.No, don't think so. The earliest usage of the term I could find from the OED used in a modern medical context was from 1865.
Dwarf - Etymology, Origin & Meaning
Originating from Old English and Proto-Germanic, dwarf means a very short human or supernatural being; verb form means to stunt growth or make something appear sm...
As I said, the Old English use of the word goes back to 700. This predates the mythological use from any culture. And the usage of that term associated with medical illness (as human dwarfs are often deformed) goes back just as far.
It would be an interesting question to pose to an academic whether or not the dwarfs in "Little Snow White" were originally intended to be part of a separate race, or merely humans. Normally I wouldn't care. But the reason it suddenly becomes interesting to me in the context of this thread is because of Peter Dinklage. After all, I read the post with his comments from the podcast where he is ranting about this primitive old tale being retold. Yet if Snow White's dwarfs were part of the mythological race of dwarfs, how is it offensive? Is he also offended by Rumpelstiltskin?
The earliest mythological use of the term was in Scandinavian folklore from the 1200's and 1300's. There was a particular tradition within that where they were dark and shadowy supernatural creatures, associated with elves, which I'm assuming is the inspiration for AD&D creatures like the dark elves which ironically don't resemble them. In fact, apparently Grimm surmised that dwarfs were the original dark half after a mythological splintering of a "proto-elf". Most on Sherdog might recognize dark elves because of how Marvel reimagined them in the origin story of Loki, also drawn from Norse mythology, in the second Thor movie. I'm assuming this is the mythological source of what would later become Goethe's Erlkonig; the Erlking is a dark supernatural spirit, a fairy, a wood elf. This is a tale of a dark elf I think most of us might recognize in that tradition. But it wasn't the only tradition. There were others.
The mythology trickled down into mainland Europe and Germanic myth. The OED mentions:
b.A.1.b One of a supposed race of diminutive beings, who figure in Teutonic and esp. Scandinavian mythology and folk-lore; often identified with the elves, and supposed to be endowed with special skill in working metals, etc.
This would seem to match the dwarfs from Snow White. Not necessarily supernatural. But a different race, yes.
You'll also notice on the Ety page Grimm himself quoted from his Teutonic Mythology describing how this mythological race of dwarfs shrunk from mankind, and represented a sort of lingering spirit of naturalism resisting civilization-- technology, urban development, and Christianity-- but not necessarily in a malevolent way. He wasn't referencing the dwarfs in Snow White in that passage, but they fit at least in the sense that they were hermits in the hills. I found another reference to dwarfs in Grimm's work that jives with them:
"With our people a favourite mode of representing translation is to shut up the enchanted inside a mountain, the earth, so to
speak, letting herself be opened to receive them. More than one idea may be at work here together: motherly earth hides the
dead in her bosom, and the world of souls is an underground world; elves and dwarfs are imagined living inside mountains, not so much in the depths of the earth as in hills and rocks that rise above the level ground; but popular forms of cursing choose
all manner of phrases to express the very lowest abyss."
They also build a crystal sarcophagus for Snow White which isn't metal, but would be similar to how they fashioned fine jewelry as the four dwarves did the Brisingamen for Freya which is a tale that seems to have deeply fascinated Jakob Grimm.
On the other hand, consider that there was a Russian tale drawn from their own early oral traditions that is almost identical to Little Snow White. You have to wonder if the tale traveled, and spanned continents. In this version, like in Little Snow White, the seven men are also not supernatural, and not dwarfs at all, but bogatyrs, or knights-errant:
The Tale of the Dead Princess and the Seven Knights - Wikipedia
In so many ways they're not at all like most dwarfs I've ever known from Germanic myth. There's shitloads of old tiny creatures in German myth: dwarfs, imps, kobolds, gnomes, sprites, goblins, and many others by many other names, often used interchangeably. They always seem to be little shits. Almost always they're mischievous, or tricksters, sometimes they're downright evil. Often they inhabit homes or castles. They steal or kill children. They take what's dearest to you. They meddle with what you love, they undo your toil. They revel in tormenting us mortals. You'll notice on the Ety page the mention of gnomes springing from the same dwarf root, in Swiss & Germanic folklore, who were garden dwellers, and inspired those ceramic little statues we know today.
They're not at all like the dwarfs in Snow White. Which might suggest that the Russian tale predated the Germanic tale, orally, where they weren't dwarfs at all. Maybe it all got enmeshed and embellished.
First off I also edited my post above to point out I had misremembered the term "gigantism" as "giantism".
Yes I suppose I had just a vague sense of their historical magical aspects perhaps mixing in the trickster version of the Russo-Finish/Germanic lore as I've seen them portrayed as possessing abilities that aid their endeavors. Oddly, reminding me a bit of the Coyote mythology of central American antiquity.
And like you mentioned too in regards to the familial "cousinhood" if you will with the elven race. Study of music is where I encountered the Erlkönig, and like youbsaid I'd bet that type of lore travelled far as well.
At the end of the day my unwillingness to refer to a little person/person with Dwarfism as "a Dwarf" remains. That descriptor just seems like an unnecessary transposition of a noun from the state of having a named condition of the state of being the embodiment of a named condition. And while it's easy to assume this state of being does fit largely into a person's life and personality due to being outliers in a world built around larger average size, I'm just not comfortable extending a medical description to blanketed references of he folks who exhibit it.
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I also first heard that from the musical piece as a boy.
It's interesting how so many of the same stories are repeated across cultures. It reminds me of religion in that way.
Even in "Little Snow White", it's impossible not to notice the curious similarity to the story of Goldilocks & the Three Bears when the dwarfs discover something amiss upon returning home:
When it turned night, the seven dwarfs returned home from their work and lit their seven little candles. Then they saw that someone had been in their house.
The first dwarf said: “Who’s been sitting in my chair?”
“Who’s eaten off my plate?” said the second.
“Who’s eaten some of my bread?” said the third.
“Who’s eaten some of my vegetables?” said the fourth.
“Who’s been using my little fork?” said the fifth.
“Who’s been cutting with my little knife?” said the sixth.
“Who’s had something to drink from my little cup?” said the seventh.
Then the first dwarf looked around and said, “Who’s been sleeping in my bed?”
Then the second cried out, “Someone’s been sleeping in my bed!”
And he was followed by each one of them until the seventh dwarf looked at his bed and saw Little Snow White lying there asleep. The others came running over to him, and they were so astounded that they screamed and fetched their seven little candles to observe Little Snow White.
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Yeah there's certainly narrative threads that represent shared experiences across all cultures and locales and eras.
Home invasions are understandably permeant.
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And she certainly ticks all the boxes to be exactly what she says, too. I don't see her having a long stint in Hollywood TBH, think she'll fade away very quickly now.
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She clearly has mental problems but "hating" someone is a reflection of you not them... I can save her
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Honestly don't care what actors believe or say. Just dance for me monkey.
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