Well-roundedness is overrated

[CarloSpcyWeiner]

Whoever claims JDS is one dimensional in the first place is a goddamn idiot

Not necessarily. When have you ever seen JDS utilize anything but his striking? I'm not saying he is one dimensional, but you can't tell me that you don't see how he can be mistaken for it.

 

[phatron]

Your statement works for 1 match up...fighter x vs fighter y.

But when fighter x faces fighter z, he will need a different skillset to overcome Z.

I'd argue that being well rounded is the goal for almost any mixed martial artist.

The very thought behind MMA is very jeet kune do esque.....take what works from every discipline and meld it together so it works very well.

I would argue that the champ in each division is the most well rounded fighter in each division.

 

[610man]

Another wrestler may have been a better example. The point is that even if one of your skills sucks, if you ensure that it doesn't matter, you're still a superior MMA fighter to someone better in that area but unable to bring it to bear.

You may be successful, but you will never go down as one of the greatest. The beauty of MMA is that someday, even the best fighters get humbled and exposed by somebody who they thought they should have beaten. Once this happens, that person lays out the blueprint for how to defeat you. So, no. you're wrong.

btw, JDS is by no means one-dimensional. He just prefers to stand up, like many other fighters in the sport. and all points made in your argument are nulled due to your laughable statement regarding Nick Diaz having no positional control. He lacks fundamental wrestling skills, when it comes to "traditional jiu-jitsu" submissions and positioning, he is nearly unmatched. Do your research.

 

[Aberinkula]

Depends.
You can get away with that at heavyweight, but in a division that's more dense with talent, not so much.

 

[Sdeaf]

Not necessarily. When have you ever seen JDS utilize anything but his striking? I'm not saying he is one dimensional, but you can't tell me that you don't see how he can be mistaken for it.

He took down Carwin twice. That's utilizing something besides his striking. He's also rarely been taken down, and never submitted in the UFC. If he didn't train wrestling and BJJ, his fight with Cain would have looked like James Toney and Randy Couture.

 

[PunchFaceToWin]

Being good at everything is bad? what?

You can be well rounded, but still massively better at one thing than everything else. Anderson, Aldo and GSP are prime examples of it.

 

[snoop dogg***]

well roundedness isnt bad. Its because no one has really been brought up in all disciplines since childhood

 

[phatron]

The point is that even if one of your skills sucks, if you ensure that it doesn't matter,

and exactly how the hell do you do that?

you have no idea if your TDD will be better than someones TD until you get in the cage with them.

Its much better to be well rounded than to assume your 1-2 primary TMA's are going to win you every fight.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I get what you're saying TS and its a very valid point but I think to be among the very best you have to well rounded. Look at the three GOATs of MMA; Fedor, GSP and Anderson. All three are more than competant in each facet of MMA and it has clearly helped them reach their stature.

 

[SPL1FF]

TS you say well roundedness is overrated, however if you look at EVERY champion in the UFC they are all well rounded fighters, not one of them is one dimensional and any of them can utilise many different aspects of MMA to win or render theyr opponents offense useless.

almost as useless as your attempt to make something out of nothing.

 

[Protectandserve]

As long as you have the proficiency to implement your strength you do well. It is the guys like Guillard who have issues because while they excel at one thing they have a big deficiency in another area and can't implement their game.

 

[clayj]

You don't need to be good everywhere to succeed in the sport. You only need two things: one aspect of MMA in which you are superior to your opponent and the ability to make that aspect the sole focus of the fight.

this is pretty accurate, or if you break it down to just three categories of competence
1. striking
2. TD/TDD
3. ground submissions

if you are really good at two of them, you can totally suck at the third and still be almost unbeatable.

Let's call sucking at #1 the "wrestler scenario": being able to always get the takedown and get/avoid the submission will get you the victory.

If you suck at #2, let's call this the "Anderson Silva scenario", he either destroys you on the feet or you take him down and he submits you.

If you suck at #3, we can probably call this the "Cro Cop" or the "Sprawl and Brawl" Scenario, the fighter keeps it standing and KOs you.

 

[sb413197]

MMA was made for specialists to fight and see who was the best. War specialists. Yes well roundedness is needed but it always seems to add something special when a fighter is truly excellent in one area. Will very much enjoy seeing JDS vs Overeem in the future.

 

[MightyMorphing]

people said the same thing about the Diaz bros and Penn. "who cares if their opponents are more well-rounded strikers, these guys are better boxers!"

eventually they all got picked apart by more well-rounded strikers

Why are you using "well-rounded" in a context where it doesn't apply. They weren't more "well-rounded" strikers, they were "better" strikers. As in, better at beating up Penn and the Diaz bros standing than vice versa. What a stupid post.

 

[CPH]

Because they lack the ability to MAKE people box with them. Junior stymies kicks with counters and clinching with footwork. You wind up forced to trade hands with him.

Catching kicks can also work towards that end.

You cannot make a competent kickboxer box with you silly man. A good kickboxer should be stronger in the clinch than a boxer, knows all the kick counters and is very good at keeping distance, pulling the trigger when the opponent is not in position to retaliate.

I'm a fan of Junior but the only good kickboxer he has ever faced was a faded as hell Mirko, who was always shit in the clinch. When a boxer and a kickboxer of comparable level meet, it generally looks like Noons/Masvidal.

But in the end, I do agree with you: well-roundedness is overrated in that it doesn't mean jack when your opponent is simply a wizard in one area and able to dictate where the fight takes places.

 

[BROWNPRIDE]

viva cain he will stop jds in the 3rd via gnp

 

[ali2013champ]

Aldo,Benson,GSP,Anderson,Jones all well rounded.JDS has awesome boxing with great TDD and BJJ black belt.he's pretty well rounded too.
Top contender Overeem- K1 champ who won ADCC trials euro.He's pretty well rounded too.
Barao is wellrouned

and FlyW champ i dont give a shit.

 

[Silverstar17]

Agree with you. But imo it

 

[Primitivo]

Another wrestler may have been a better example. The point is that even if one of your skills sucks, if you ensure that it doesn't matter, you're still a superior MMA fighter to someone better in that area but unable to bring it to bear.

 

[lapollarecords]

overratedness is overrated