Weidman vs. Cormier @ LHW - Who wins?

I'm sure weidman would love to fight someone smaller than him, but I'm not sure DC qualifies in that category
 
Consider that Weidman would be even stronger and bigger at 205.
I think Weidman might win a 5 rounder via better cardio similar to how Jones won.
But likewise DC might be too much for him. Will Chris handle a big strong excellent wrestler?
 
DC would win that fight, there is reason why Weidman chooses to cut to 185.....DC is just bigger and thicker, think he wins, as well as I think that Jones beats Weidman.
 
Weidman is a lot thinner and less muscular than jones, just smaller overall, so DC would throw him around imo. Jones is huge on fight night.
 
Cormier is too skilled IMO, wrestling and on the feet. Probably stronger too.

I don't think Weidman has faced anyone like that yet.
 
Dc, by wearing Weidman down and grinding him out over 5 hard-fought rounds.
 
Cormier ragdolls Weidman pretty much guaranteed.

Cormier would love that fight. Weidman would never take it. Anyway, it's just one of those hypotheticals that'll never happen.
 
Cormier wins by being 25 pounds heavier. Bulked up Weidmann would win though
 
MTNinja said:
DC would absolutely destroy him in a wrestling match. I have a lot of confidence that he could control him.
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against the cage/in the clinch - absolutely
on the ground - No

DC has amazing wrestling but his ground control is not so great
 
That is hard, both are so well rounded, but if Rumble got DC down, I think Weidman could.
 
rjmbrd said:
Agreed - I think fortunately for everyone, this is a done deal. Weidman will most certainly fight Rockhold or Jacare next.



Barnett is a big tough dude but he's not a skilled folk/greco/freestyle wrestler, he's a catch wrestler who specializes in submissions. DC couldn't get anywhere near taking Jones down and was taken down by both AJ and Jones.

People forget that Weidman beat both Ryan Bader and Phil Davis in collegiate wrestling, where he wrestled 197lbs and was one of the highest ranked guys in the country. He most definitely has the skill and physicality to grapple with guys at LHW.




Here is where we disagree. If Weidman wins his next fight, that would make it 4 consecutive title defense, more specifically that read:

Silva, Machida, Belfort, Rockhold/Jacare

Arguably the best strength of schedule in the history of that division, most certainly for title defenses. You don't earn that status and risk taking a superfight in the division above you if its not for the title.

The title absolutely has to be on the line. Weidman shouldn't even be allowed to 'moonlight' at 205, like the gimmie fights Anderson took against unraked opponents like Irvin and Bonnar.

P4P ranked champions should only fight other champions if they take a superfight. I am sure Weidman would want to join the ranks of Randy Couture and BJ Penn in being a two division champion. It is arguably the highest honor in the sport and certainly the stuff of legends.




I think Chris and DC matchup very well with each other. Chris manages distance and uses his length incredibly well. His timing is insane. DC is the better wrestler but Chris doesn't need to face him head on, he just needs to stay out of trouble.

DC struggled a lot with Jones and ultimately lost all the grappling exchanges because, to quote Daniel "he was big in the clinch." I think Chris will feel big in the clinch too, because its a combination of size and technique. DC can handle guys with one or the other, but he's not dominating another wrestler with both.

Both guys have fair to midland gas tanks. Both guys can take a punch. I'd give Chris a small edge in striking and length, DC a reasonable edge in wrestling.

I hate to say this because its really only predicated on a few things, but when both guys matchup this close, I'm going to go with the guy I didn't see give up. I'd pick Weidman.
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How do you think Weidman matches up with Jones?


All good points, and then considering even the big strike that knocked DC down against AJ didn't land fully optimal makes me think Weidman takes it through attrition, and if Weidman isn't stronger I now don't see him being dominated, I even see DC not landing his signature high crotch & amplitude slam unless it goes the awkward route of the Jones vs DC one. Weidman would maintain distance & control, & keep looking for set ups for his strong left hook, & when he needs to turns it into a haymaker. DC has suspect strike defense against good fighters IMO, I feel Stipe would surprise people against DC, not necessarily win, but definitely not necessarily lose.


Also, yeah, Weidman has an insane streak going, especially in title fights, can't wait to see what happens vs Rockhold, and am wondering what will happen if he faces Jacare, his streak is at a point where I'm inclined to root for him because it seems IMO good for the sport, similar to Jones before he went way too wild going h.a.m on his free time. He is one of the most skilled fighters, and he's one of those guys where efficiency is there, he isn't flashy, he finds his openings, does his work, and walks people down. Like an educated, disciplined, and wrestling strong Diaz almost, they both have called their opponents pieces of shit before, lmao. Maybe not Diaz even, hahaha, freaking Weidman, what a weird goof that kicks ass.
 
James L said:
How do you think Weidman matches up with Jones?
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Jones has everything honestly. Size, athleticism, good everywhere, unpredictable, great cardio, can take a punch, heart of a lion. I hate the eye poking but even that works for him - he will win at all costs.

I'd probably pick Jones over anyone in MMA right now. Maybe Werdum or Cain could give him some trouble. At 205 and down, he's the best and its not close. Weidman would give him a good fight at an underdog though.


All good points, and then considering even the big strike that knocked DC down against AJ didn't land fully optimal makes me think Weidman takes it through attrition, and if Weidman isn't stronger I now don't see him being dominated, I even see DC not landing his signature high crotch & amplitude slam unless it goes the awkward route of the Jones vs DC one. Weidman would maintain distance & control, & keep looking for set ups for his strong left hook, & when he needs to turns it into a haymaker. DC has suspect strike defense against good fighters IMO, I feel Stipe would surprise people against DC, not necessarily win, but definitely not necessarily lose.
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Stipe seems to have made his name surprising people. I definitely didn't predict he would outbox Nelson and hang 50/50 with Dos Santos. Even if you thought he would beat Hunt, I don't think most people thought he would just run through him.

Stiple is definitely a wildcard against everyone.


Also, yeah, Weidman has an insane streak going, especially in title fights, can't wait to see what happens vs Rockhold, and am wondering what will happen if he faces Jacare, his streak is at a point where I'm inclined to root for him because it seems IMO good for the sport, similar to Jones before he went way too wild going h.a.m on his free time. He is one of the most skilled fighters, and he's one of those guys where efficiency is there, he isn't flashy, he finds his openings, does his work, and walks people down.
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I think Weidman has a war with Rockhold but gets past Jacare without too much trouble. Jacare is a beast but I don't think he can hang with Weidman on the feet and I definitely don't trust his gas tank in a grueling fight.

Cheers
 
i think it depends on how good weidman's bottom game is in mma bjj. his top game looks awesome but i dont know how good he is at subs and sweeps from the bottom and i think that would play a large part.
 
rjmbrd said:
Jones has everything honestly. Size, athleticism, good everywhere, unpredictable, great cardio, can take a punch, heart of a lion. I hate the eye poking but even that works for him - he will win at all costs.

I'd probably pick Jones over anyone in MMA right now. Maybe Werdum or Cain could give him some trouble. At 205 and down, he's the best and its not close. Weidman would give him a good fight at an underdog though.




Stipe seems to have made his name surprising people. I definitely didn't predict he would outbox Nelson and hang 50/50 with Dos Santos. Even if you thought he would beat Hunt, I don't think most people thought he would just run through him.

Stiple is definitely a wildcard against everyone.




I think Weidman has a war with Rockhold but gets past Jacare without too much trouble. Jacare is a beast but I don't think he can hang with Weidman on the feet and I definitely don't trust his gas tank in a grueling fight.

Cheers
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Same here on Jones, he's one of those guys who has a fairly predictable move set, yet seems to bewilder his opponents. They look downright flabbergasted at times in the cage against him. I still see Weidman giving him a fight like DC or better yet Gus, knowing him, a mix of both, neither DC nor Gus are speed freaks imo and same with Weidman and Jones, but I think Jones and Weidman are more deceptive or surprising in their actual speed, especially their ability to land. I think I'd rather see Jones vs Weidman than him against DC or Gus again, but w/e I'm happy in any order the fights occur & the interest in this match up is mostly due to you enlightening me on Weidman.

Stipe was an unexpected guy for me to become an active supporter of, I liked him off the bat due to the CC shout outs he included, but now he's one of my favorite HWs, he has a very fun style, and due to my love for Hunt I have another fight of his I need to watch as soon as I can bear, lol. I had a feeling Hunt was gonna be off in that fight if I remember correctly, but didn't see what happened coming, and any guy that can fight his way across 5 rounds to a disputed decision against JDS is a killer and a madman, especially once that same psycho takes Hunt across 5 rounds then finishes him.


Yeah, poor Jacare, in Strikeforce I saw him maybe being champ one day in the UFC but then fellow grappling wiz Weidman comes along. I certainly wouldn't count Jac out, but damn..no matter what people say about Anderson Silva's age and mileage, Chris was following a gameplan, it worked, yes the two outcomes were weird, but the first one was a combo being executed against Silva who was clowning at the time, the 2nd one is the weirder one, but it's not like no one knew checking kicks could do that, it's just weird seeing it happen a phenom, not as weird once you consider that Chris is coming into his own as a potential phenom as well if not considered one already.

I'm hoping for a war with Rockhold, I don't care who wins, but I just want Chris to have a competitive fight, more than the Machida fight was. It'd be cool to see Rockhold win, I like Strikeforce guys, and even though Rockhold is an annoying mofo on the mic, his work in the cage is real fun to watch & maybe some gold around his waist that Vitor failed to capture will take away his bitterness.
 
I think Weidman wins by decision or a late round TKO 3rd-5th. I think he has the footwork, range, timing, and hands to out strike DC and keep it mostly on the feet.
 
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