Economy We need a recession, and Trump's trying to trigger it.

[cooks1]

Yes, there is an expected certainty of uncertainty built into the markets, but you are trying to deflect from the statement you made that I responded to directly referring to deliberate injection of uncertainty which is actually necessary and extremely helpful. No significant change will ever happen without deliberate actions that differ from the current norms which naturally create uncertainty.

It is hilarious to me as a someone considered to be conservative that I have to explain to people that claim to be liberal or even progressive to not be so scared of change.

Perhaps I should narrow things down to clarify................. I made a criticism of a very specific behavior- radically altering tariffs by large percentages and then changing your mind repeatedly in a whipsaw like fashion-in a very short time span. I'd be happy to argue the merits of that specific behavior with anyone that can provide sound reasoning that it's beneficial. But no one on here- not even you- has even come out and said it's a great idea, much less explained why they think it is.

If any of my comments distracted from that very specific assertion, consider them retracted. Now if you could give specific arguments about why this spastic tariff behavior is the best way forward, that would be great.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Anecdotal fallacy. It's true that your immediate conditions have some resilience to recessions, in that any downturn doesn't immediately deprive you of concrete things. But the difference between a decade-long recession and not is immense. Moreover, part of the reason you didn't experience a worsening was that the governments of the world immediately reacted to counteract the recession, preventing damage.

You were protected, so it didn't get all that bad. That's good, but doesn't demonstrate the usefulness of recessions: the opposite, really.

Okay, is there any reason why you think this time would be different?

 

[brothir]

Okay, is there any reason why you think this time would be different?

No, no exact reason. The point I was making was to illustrate the perspective, and clarify the stakes.

 

[Cartiac]

Perhaps I should narrow things down to clarify................. I made a criticism of a very specific behavior- radically altering tariffs by large percentages and then changing your mind repeatedly in a whipsaw like fashion-in a very short time span. I'd be happy to argue the merits of that specific behavior with anyone that can provide sound reasoning that it's beneficial. But no one on here- not even you- has even come out and said that is a great idea, much less explained why they think it is.

If any of my comments distracted from that very specific assertion, consider them retracted. Now if you could give specific arguments about why this spastic tariff behavior is the best way forward, that would be great.

haha, very interesting choice of words there, it is clear who thinks for you.

As I said previously to create significant change you have to take significant action. My understanding is the goal is not to have to apply tariffs, but to get these other countries to drop their tariffs on the US. Asking them politely hasn't worked so action was taken to show them the consequences and give them a choice to come to the table and work with us or accept those consequences.