"We defeated the wrong enemy !" - General Patton

[sub_thug]

The pacific fleet would had been completely bogged down in the East and so would be Westeners in Russia.

Logistics would had been hell, so the only tie breaker would had been the A-bomb, which is actually something pretty scary.

I think the logistics would have been more difficult for the Russians. American supply lines in Europe were solid. After the Nazis folded, that place was so flooded with fresh troops and equipment that their ability to push east would have probably been pretty easy. At this point, we owned the German airports, so we wouldn't have been relying on staging troops in England like we had before, and the Atlantic would have been totally uncontested. That's big.

On the eastern front, there would have been fighting over the Pacific, but only some. I think you would have seen a lot of troops pushing up through China, collapsing the Russians' ability to access the ocean. Once you control the eastern seaboard, you've essentially closed off the Soviets from accessing materials not already inside the country. You can either use the bomb or fight a war of attrition, but I think the result is the same.

 

[Rod1]

I think the logistics would have been more difficult for the Russians. American supply lines in Europe were solid. After the Nazis folded, that place was so flooded with fresh troops and equipment that their ability to push east would have probably been pretty easy. At this point, we owned the German airports, so we wouldn't have been relying on staging troops in England like we had before, and the Atlantic would have been totally uncontested. That's big.

On the eastern front, there would have been fighting over the Pacific, but only some. I think you would have seen a lot of troops pushing up through China, collapsing the Russians' ability to access the ocean. Once you control the eastern seaboard, you've essentially closed off the Soviets from accessing materials not already inside the country. You can either use the bomb or fight a war of attrition, but I think the result is the same.

Thats what the Nazis thought after they took over Western Europe.

The fact remains, Russia was large and undeveloped, its not the same to supply people through modern roads in a dense region than through mud on a pretty large region.

Would the allies win? sure, but it wouldnt had been easy.

 

[ShinkanPo]

The soviets lost. The West won!

Hello?! McFly?!

Think!

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Good for USA because you wouldn't have beaten the USSR if you tried.A depleted and fully spent Germany-yes.But not the communists as you found out in Vietnam.

Vietnam and WW2 aren't comparable in this sense, really. Vietnam while a large conflict was still a "restricted war" in a sense (i.e. no obvious attacks on Cambodia, etc). WW2 was pretty much "total war" (i.e. fair game, borders and morals be damned, mostly). I don't think there's a doubt the Allies would have defeated the USSR if they so desired. Wouldn't have been a total one sided capitulation, but I don't think there's any doubt about victory. The numbers wouldn't have been drastically different, and the West would have had a pretty significant technological advantage

Eastern and western cultures do think differently. Russians are Eastern. I don't see what the problem with that statement is and I'm part Asian. You're just looking for something to be offended about aren't you?

https://www.redstate.com/diary/davenj1/2017/07/01/4th-political-theory-russia-putin-dugin/

I think Russians see themselves as something neither Eastern nor Western, but simply uniquely Russian. Which is fair, I think, since they sit in a very unique geographic position.

 

[BKMMAFAN]

Actually, the Russians themselves have a saying,

The War was won with British intelligence, American steel and Russian blood.

The Brits tried to warn Stalin that the Germans were going to invade and Stalin thought they were lying. Sad! Lots and lots of Russian blood, yes.

 

[Prefect]

Lol, no it didn't . Communism is taking over the world. China china china

China isnt even conmunist. It is something else but i can guarntee the party leaders have never read marx.

 

[sub_thug]

Thats what the Nazis thought after they took over Western Europe.

The fact remains, Russia was large and undeveloped, its not the same to supply people through modern roads in a dense region than through mud on a pretty large region.

Would the allies win? sure, but it wouldnt had been easy.

The biggest problem that the Nazis faced was fighting a multi-front war. Generally, that goes really poorly. I mean, look at Afghanistan today. When we took our attention off Afghanistan and put it into Iraq, the situation in Afghanistan deteriorated immensely. Fighting two wars at once is virtually impossible. Hitler also made some terrible calls because of his obsession with symbols. Hence, he became obsessed with Stalingrad when he should have cut his losses, withdrawn, and lived to fight another day. Not for nothing, but the Germans were fighting fresh Russian troops. By the end of the war, those troops were mostly dead.

Getting supplies through Russia would have been difficult, and the Russian winter is friend to no one other than Russia. So it wouldn't have been easy. But it wouldn't have been nearly as tough for us as it was for the Nazis.

 

[SaiWa]

Not possible as germany would have gotten out of control powerful and the cold war would be between the US/Nazis

Actually we probably woulda dropped a few atomic bombs on Germany before or after dropping them on Japan and there would have been unconditional surrender from everyone. I am thinking the US coulda own the entire world through nuclear threats. thoughts?

naaaahhh.. never mind...

 

[Rod1]

Getting supplies through Russia would have been difficult, and the Russian winter is friend to no one other than Russia. So it wouldn't have been easy. But it wouldn't have been nearly as tough for us as it was for the Nazis.

It would had been tougher to sell that war to the American publi than it was for the nazis to sell it to the Germans.

And the French and British were tired as hell, and the Japanese would had probably not surrendered if they saw the US and Russia going into war.

Plus the Soviets had all those warsaw pact countries to recruit people from.

 

[SaiWa]

Lol, no it didn't . Communism is taking over the world. China china china

what are you worried about? you are half Asian. Just claim your Asian side when the time comes instead of your white privileged side and you'll be fine.

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

It would had been tougher to sell that war to the American publi than it was for the nazis to sell it to the Germans.

And the French and British were tired as hell, and the Japanese would had probably not surrendered if they saw the US and Russia going into war.

Plus the Soviets had all those warsaw pact countries to recruit people from.

First sentence/point - absolute true. Selling the war is always difficult, let alone when the public has absolutely no taste for further fighting.

Second part, the Japanese and Americans maybe could have come to their own terms, if the Russians and West fought. Not so sure the Warsaw Pact countries would have been rushing to aide Russia at the end of WW2. Thought a lot of them didn't exactly enjoy Russian overlordship, which is why there was sympathy towards the Germans in places like Ukraine.

 

[Rod1]

First sentence/point - absolute true. Selling the war is always difficult, let alone when the public has absolutely no taste for further fighting.

Second part, the Japanese and Americans maybe could have come to their own terms, if the Russians and West fought. Not so sure the Warsaw Pact countries would have been rushing to aide Russia at the end of WW2. Thought a lot of them didn't exactly enjoy Russian overlordship, which is why there was sympathy towards the Germans in places like Ukraine.

Soviets were masters at forcing people to fight for them.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I'm not seeing the conspiracy part.

You don't see the 10's of thousands of super educated students in the U.S saying they're communists? And those are just the loud people.

If i'm missing something, please tell me.

And you think that is because we didn't join Hitler and fight against the USSR?

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Patton was a genius. He was arguably the best practitioner of blitzkrieg produced by either side in the war. He was also right that the Soviets were an enemy of human, freedom, liberal society, and the West. He was wrong that we defeated the wrong side. We did the best that could have been done in a very shitty state of affairs.

 

[Feniamin]

Europe is on it's way out due to the infection of marxist (progressive ideology). It has ruined intself, feminized itself, and is ripe for the taking. The strong men of Europe are gone - shamed into hiding or have left the continent for stronger pasture. The goal was the destruction of Europe all along, by the anglo-hating bolshevik soviet demons.

This is a quote from the sadaist Trotsky;

I will always choose to remember him with the pick axe in his head (Stalin's greatest deed).

Fuck every bolshevik/communist/marxists/progressive. They are murderous demons to their very core.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think Kalergi (Richard Nikolaus Coudenhove-Kalergi) wanted kinda the same fate for Europe.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Actually we probably woulda dropped a few atomic bombs on Germany before or after dropping them on Japan and there would have been unconditional surrender from everyone. I am thinking the US coulda own the entire world through nuclear threats. thoughts?

naaaahhh.. never mind...

You would have turned the whole world against the US doing that. Legitimacy matters.

 

[wlu.29]

Patton realized very soon after WW2 that the greater threat to Western democracy and nationalism was bolshevik soviet socialism.

Unfortunately, the West decided Hitler's nationalism was the bigger threat and funded the bolsheviks with money and weapons. The result was the only gate stopping bolshevik marxism form entering Europe from the East.

What the US should have done was work with Hitler (at first) and invaded the soviets from the East since German troops were already advancing in the West.

Eventually, Russia would have been freed from the grips of bolshevik socialism. The US could have then gone against the Nazis.

History is, unfortunately, written by the winners - and the bolsheviks won in a big way as the West has been suffering ever since as marxism has infected generations of Western minds, making way for the disease known today as progressivism.

you think west should have worked with Hitler?

 

[KnightTemplar]

Soviets were masters at forcing people to fight for them.

"In the Red Army, it takes more courage to retreat than to attack"
- Stalin

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

So did Hitler

 

[Rod1]

Patton was a genius. He was arguably the best practitioner of blitzkrieg produced by either side in the war. He was also right that the Soviets were an enemy of human, freedom, liberal society, and the West. He was wrong that we defeated the wrong side. We did the best that could have been done in a very shitty state of affairs.

Ahem *points at AV*.