"We defeated the wrong enemy !" - General Patton

[superpunch]

Communism lost, get over it.

Lol, no it didn't . Communism is taking over the world. China china china

 

[loyalyolayal]

It's harder to find movies in hollywood that puts the bolsheviks in the same light as the nazis were. Let's not even start with holodomor. For sheer number alone, russia takes the cake.

The differences were the cold and cunning methods of the soviets and their willingness to play the game for as long as it take as opposed to Hitler's impassioned demagoguery and being desperate.

 

[Whippy McGee]

I think Patton's real point was not that we shouldn't have defeated the Germans / Nazis (which was a great thing). But, that we should have kept going and taken out the Soviets / Communists too. Had we done so, the bullshit we lived through since WWII from the Berlin Airlift, to the Cold War, to all the Soviet / Communist bullshit in the world would have not had to happen.

I don't think Patton had any love for the Nazis. Except, the love to kill them.

 

[Undying Poster]

Lol, no it didn't . Communism is taking over the world. China china china

Excellent trolling

 

[sub_thug]

The Soviet Union helped the Allies win WWII, no doubt. They lost a lot of people, were completely gutted, and they were absolutely essential in the defeat of the Nazis.

What Patton might have been saying, and perhaps there was some truth to this, is that we should have kept marching all the way to Moscow. I can see a reasonable debate being made by both sides of this.

 

[Rod1]

Eastern and western cultures do think differently. Russians are Eastern. I don't see what the problem with that statement is and I'm part Asian. You're just looking for something to be offended about aren't you?

Russians arent eastern though, at least not in the way Patton is thinking

Russians are eastern in the sense that they are part of eastern roman tradition, not western roman tradition.

 

[loyalyolayal]

I think Patton's real point was not that we shouldn't have defeated the Germans / Nazis (which was a great thing). But, that we should have kept going and taken out the Soviets / Communists too. Had we done so, the bullshit we lived through since WWII from the Berlin Airlift, to the Cold War, to all the Soviet / Communist bullshit in the world would have not had to happen.

I don't think Patton had any love for the Nazis. Except, the love to kill them.

He was the only general wary about the russians. Some serious tomfoolery was afoot when he was stranded for like 2-3 days waiting for fuel because they prioritized montgomery. He wanted to reach Berlin before the soviets. Then he got into an accident.

 

[Rod1]

The Soviet Union helped the Allies win WWII, no doubt. They lost a lot of people, were completely gutted, and they were absolutely essential in the defeat of the Nazis.

What Patton might have been saying, and perhaps there was some truth to this, is that we should have kept marching all the way to Moscow. I can see a reasonable debate being made by both sides of this.

There was a war against Japan that needed to be won and Europeans were tired and just wanted to rebuild, not keep marching east.

 

[superpunch]

Excellent trolling

No trolling, China's communist. Not in the way they run their economy but in the more important way: the way they run their society and government. And they're taking over the world

 

[KnightTemplar]

It can't even be rightly claimed that the 'West' defeated Hitler when 85%+ of the German war effort was on the Eastern front. The Soviets defeated Hitler and would've done so even if the West didn't join the effort.

Actually, the Russians themselves have a saying,

The War was won with British intelligence, American steel and Russian blood.

 

[Undying Poster]

It's harder to find movies in hollywood that puts the bolsheviks in the same light as the nazis were. Let's not even start with holodomor. For sheer number alone, russia takes the cake.

The differences were the cold and cunning methods of the soviets and their willingness to play the game for as long as it take as opposed to Hitler's impassioned demagoguery and being desperate.

How would a Hollywood movie about the Holodomor go?

I would never object if you simply equated the Holodomor to the Holocaust but then you have to bring in your Hollywood line, not thinking that one is inherently more exciting than the other (starving people vs gassing people) and the fact that sometimes American audiences aren't aware of or really care what happened to some "foreigners" vs the Jews who were already a significant part of our society and culture and many more came over to America as a response to Germany's actions. Some being very important people like Einstein

How many movies are based on the Irish potato famine? How many movies are portraying the British as evil for not helping when they could have?

 

[sub_thug]

There was a war against Japan that needed to be won and Europeans were tired and just wanted to rebuild, not keep marching east.

I generally agree that the biggest reason not to fight was fatigue. But if there was ever a time to cut the head off the snake, that was it. If memory serves me well, 1 in 5 people who died in WWII was a Soviet. They were absolutely obliterated, and after the Japanese surrendered, the Soviets would have had the whole of the European theater on their western flank, a depleted homeland in the middle, and the whole Pacific fleet on their east. They didn't have the bomb yet, so in my mind, winning would have been a foregone conclusion. But yes, everyone was far too war-weary to keep fighting. Definitely makes you wonder though what might have been...

 

[VivaRevolution]

Patton realized very soon after WW2 that the greater threat to Western democracy and nationalism was bolshevik soviet socialism.

Unfortunately, the West decided Hitler's nationalism was the bigger threat and funded the bolsheviks with money and weapons. The result was the only gate stopping bolshevik marxism form entering Europe from the East.

What the US should have done was work with Hitler (at first) and invaded the soviets from the East since German troops were already advancing in the West.

Eventually, Russia would have been freed from the grips of bolshevik socialism. The US could have then gone against the Nazis.

History is, unfortunately, written by the winners - and the bolsheviks won in a big way as the West has been suffering ever since as marxism has infected generations of Western minds, making way for the disease known today as progressivism.

The funny part is that according to newly declassified UN documents, that is exactly what the West was doing.

 

[Rod1]

I generally agree that the biggest reason not to fight was fatigue. But if there was ever a time to cut the head off the snake, that was it. If memory serves me well, 1 in 5 people who died in WWII was a Soviet. They were absolutely obliterated, and after the Japanese surrendered, the Soviets would have had the whole of the European theater on their western flank, a depleted homeland in the middle, and the whole Pacific fleet on their east. They didn't have the bomb yet, so in my mind, winning would have been a foregone conclusion. But yes, everyone was far too war-weary to keep fighting. Definitely makes you wonder though what might have been...

The pacific fleet would had been completely bogged down in the East and so would be Westeners in Russia.

Logistics would had been hell, so the only tie breaker would had been the A-bomb, which is actually something pretty scary.

 

[loyalyolayal]

How would a Hollywood movie about the Holodomor go?

I would never object if you simply equated the Holodomor to the Holocaust but then you have to bring in your Hollywood line, not thinking that one is inherently more exciting than the other (starving people vs gassing people) and the fact that sometimes American audiences aren't aware of or really care what happened to some "foreigners" vs the Jews who were already a significant part of our society and culture and many more came over to America as a response to Germany's actions. Some being very important people like Einstein

How many movies are based on the Irish potato famine? How many movies are portraying the British as evil for not helping when they could have?

My point was Hitler has more "oomph". People would eat it as he was a real life devil. Writing a screenplay about Russia's atrocities is kinda boring.

Also, was the Irish potato famine a man-made/forced famine which was recognized by more than a dozen countries as genocide?

 

[Fawlty]

Europe is on it's way out due to the infection of marxist (progressive ideology). It has ruined intself, feminized itself, and is ripe for the taking. The strong men of Europe are gone - shamed into hiding or have left the continent for stronger pasture. The goal was the destruction of Europe all along, by the anglo-hating bolshevik soviet demons.

This is a quote from the sadaist Trotsky;

I will always choose to remember him with the pick axe in his head (Stalin's greatest deed).

Fuck every bolshevik/communist/marxists/progressive. They are murderous demons to their very core.

No, you're ducking the fuck out of my post. Tell us how we were supposed to ez mode Russia. I'd absolutely love to hear your plan.

(btw, I know what it is, because there's only one way- which is to align with Hitler, which is pretty much your whole point)

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Japan attacked the US. Japan and Germany were allies.

Germany started it.

/thread

 

[Hit-N-Run]

Work with Hitler.....

You fucking turd

 

[deltapapha]

Patton realized very soon after WW2 that the greater threat to Western democracy and nationalism was bolshevik soviet socialism.

Unfortunately, the West decided Hitler's nationalism was the bigger threat and funded the bolsheviks with money and weapons. The result was the only gate stopping bolshevik marxism form entering Europe from the East.

What the US should have done was work with Hitler (at first) and invaded the soviets from the East since German troops were already advancing in the West.

Eventually, Russia would have been freed from the grips of bolshevik socialism. The US could have then gone against the Nazis.

History is, unfortunately, written by the winners - and the bolsheviks won in a big way as the West has been suffering ever since as marxism has infected generations of Western minds, making way for the disease known today as progressivism.

Both National and International Socialism are/were enemies. Both considered the extermination of 10s and 100s of millions of people a worthwhile sacrifice to achieve their aims. But the more immediate casus belli at the time to Gr.Britain and France was Nazi Germany.

I have a kind of morose outlook regarding the countries overrun by "communism" and who to a very great degree embraced it at the grassroots. Their tragedies were necessary as an object lesson.

 

[Whippy McGee]

He was the only general wary about the russians. Some serious tomfoolery was afoot when he was stranded for like 2-3 days waiting for fuel because they prioritized montgomery. He wanted to reach Berlin before the soviets. Then he got into an accident.

"accident"