Warhammer 40k

[Thrawn33]

Took a break from the Horus Heresy series and started Eisenhorn.....love it!

 

[GhostZ06]

I thought a Primarch vs a Chaos powered space marine was a comparable or possibly even more fair match up than The Emperor vs a Chaos powered Primarch.

Not even close.

you gotta remember the emperor held back a lot while fighting horus. But at the end of the duel he unleashed a pyschic blast that destoryed not banished but killed all choas in the sol system...

 

[cmw43]

Yeah I'm still pretty new to 40k so there are somethings I've yet to grasp.

What made me think of Roboute being a Christ figure was that as I was reading Nemesis there is a scene where The Emperor speaks and his dialogue is bolded which I don't recall seeing in other Heresy books so I just assumed this happens when The Emperor speaks in kind of the same way that in some Bibles Jesus's quotes are in red to stand out. Of course this could also just be the choice of the author.

I recently started The First Heretic and when Roboute contacts Lorgar's legion to tell them to land on Monarchia his dialogue while giving these orders is bolded which I thought was strange because I don't recall any Primarch's dialogue being bolded so far.

We then find out that the order to destroy Monarchia came from The Emperor which made me think Roboute's dialogue was bolded because he was speaking for The Emperor ... or possibly The Emperor was speaking through Roboute.

Then I started thinking about The Emperor using Roboute (Robot) as an avatar. The First Heretic is really my introduction to Roboute and he is described as being emotionless, stoic and kind of bland to be honest kind of like an (automaton, robot). He is also the most loyal to his father's vision it would seem.

If Jesus is the word of God made flesh Biblically speaking then He is sort of an avatar for God to interact with people and the way the Emperor is described He is so brilliant that even His on sons the Primarchs can't look directly at Him and the only reason He shows up on Monarchia is because Lorgar didn't believe Malcador and Roboute so He had to make an appearance.

I kinda went off the rails with the theory that Roboute was a vessel (or could at least be used as one) for The Emperor to interact with people without burning their eyes out of their head and to also have a little anonymity in some dealings.

It sounds confusing but no more confusing than Jesus being The Father and The Son.

Too much coffee probably.

The Emperor already appears to those looking upon him as whatever form he wishes. He doesn't need to use an avatar.

It's like when the Mechanicum look at him they see their machine God.

 

[cmw43]

Not even close.

you gotta remember the emperor held back a lot while fighting horus. But at the end of the duel he unleashed a pyschic blast that destoryed not banished but killed all choas in the sol system...

What do you mean killed all Chaos in the Sol system? Horus own men recovered his body and escaped with it during the battle of Terra.

 

[Rozko]

What do you mean killed all Chaos in the Sol system? Horus own men recovered his body and escaped with it during the battle of Terra.

He wiped Horus's soul from existence while dying. The only reason he was beaten was because his ego/love for Horus told him he could redeem Horus.

 

[xenomorph4prez]

Not even close.

you gotta remember the emperor held back a lot while fighting horus. But at the end of the duel he unleashed a pyschic blast that destoryed not banished but killed all choas in the sol system...

That's what I was trying to say. The Emperor vs Horus is a way more lopsided fight than Roboute vs Abaddon would be but because The Emperor had feels he held back which allowed Horus to look better than he should have.

 

[xenomorph4prez]

The Emperor already appears to those looking upon him as whatever form he wishes. He doesn't need to use an avatar.

It's like when the Mechanicum look at him they see their machine God.

I'm still new to 40k and didn't know about the Mechanicum seeing The Emperor as the Omnissiah but that is awesome and explains a lot.
The Machine God and Omnissiah are the same thing right?

 

[GhostZ06]

That's what I was trying to say. The Emperor vs Horus is a way more lopsided fight than Roboute vs Abaddon would be but because The Emperor had feels he held back which allowed Horus to look better than he should have.

apparently his sword is capable of killing demons for good as well. So it makes you wonder, i doubt Failbadon would ever wanna come near that thing

 

[GhostZ06]

What do you mean killed all Chaos in the Sol system? Horus own men recovered his body and escaped with it during the battle of Terra.

In other words he didn't just banish demons back to the warp, he erased them from Exsitance an actually killed them all in the sol system plus some other systems over and injured all 4 of the choas gods to the point they got scared an ran an hid. Ya, big e is pretty powerful?

 

[punkmother]

i got the imperial troops from this quiz

https://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/story.php?title=what-warhammer-40k-army-are-you

i kinda like them

know nothing about warhammer, but i go space wolves. that seems like a good one.

 

[xenomorph4prez]

There is an interesting bit in The Last Heretic which I am currently in the middle of now where Kor Phaeron is telling Lorgar what aspects of The Emperor several of the Primarchs represent.

The Last Heretic - page 77

Horus is said to be "The Emperor's ambition unshaped by humility", and that he hides his arrogance and that pride beats through his body like blood. He is also refers to Horus as the Emperor's brightest star (Morning Star).

Satan's five I will's mirror Horus's prideful ambition to a T.

Spoiler

Isaiah 14

12How you have fallen from heaven,

O Morning Star, son of the dawn!

You have been cut down to the ground,

O destroyer of nations.

13You said in your heart:

“I will ascend to the heavens;

I will raise my throne

above the stars of God.

I will sit on the mount of assembly,

in the far reaches of the north.b

14I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;

I will make myself like the Most High.”

Kor Phaeron goes on to describe Roboute as The Emperor's echo, heart and soul, and that his heart and soul are cast in The Emperor's image. He goes on to say that should anything happen to The Emperor that Roboute would be heir to the empire and this is said before Horus's fall to chaos when he is still the anointed War Master.

So even though Kor Phaeron tells Lorgar that he has his Father's face he refers to Roboute as the heir and Image of The Emperor and His heart and soul.

Spoiler

John 14

5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

The Sacred Heart of Christ

A few other points that were interesting is that when The Emperor forced Lorgar to kneel Lorgar seemed confused that Roboute wasn't himself kneeling and instead was standing straight-backed and proud beside The Emperor. I don't think He kneels to The Father because He is The Father.

I also thought it was interesting that when Lorgar struck Roboute with his Crozius and knocked Roboute down cracking the Aquila on his chest that Roboute does not return his violence. You could say he turned the other cheek.

Another point is that the Ultramar symbol is an upside down omega symbol.

Spoiler

Revelation 22

12“Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

The Alpha ( The Father / The Emperor ) and The Omega (The Son, Christ / Roboute )

The Alpha, The Beginning ( The Father / The Emperor ) is represented as the Aquila on Roboute's armor and the Omega, The End ( The Son / Roboute ) is represented as the upside down omega symbol with the skull in it.

Could just be coincidences but I think it's interesting.

 

[GhostZ06]

know nothing about warhammer, but i go space wolves. that seems like a good one.

They basically are the i dont give a fuck marine and we're loyal, so fuck off an leave us alone. They're pretty amazing, but absolute tell the inquisition to go fuck themselves which i enjoy. And told the church to eat a fat dick.

 

[cmw43]

I'm still new to 40k and didn't know about the Mechanicum seeing The Emperor as the Omnissiah but that is awesome and explains a lot.
The Machine God and Omnissiah are the same thing right?

Yeah same thing.

 

[StabbyMcHatchet]

Looks like this is a thing:

https://ig.me/1FbQKCE1YqN1ZsD

 

[neverwas]

As someone who has next to no idea about this world,where's a good start?

 

[JBSchroeds]

As someone who has next to no idea about this world,where's a good start?

I'd suggest browsing Game Workshop's store page, and whenever you see something you think looks cool look it up on the wiki.

 

[Zer]

As someone who has next to no idea about this world,where's a good start?

There's White Dwarf. It's a magazine that basically just advertises the latest shit, but still full of lore and battle reports and all kinds of shit. I used to love reading them back in the day. It'd be even better now because as @JBSchroeds says you can just check out the internet whenever you see something badass.

I haven't read it in years. You could try subscribing to that. It'll probably be pretty cheap if you get them on tablet

 

[davidlemonparty]

As someone who has next to no idea about this world,where's a good start?

you could also try the fandom wiki
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Warhammer_40k_Wiki
its a bit of a hot mess editting wise, but it has a tonne of info. a tonne.
start by reading an article on the history of the imperium and go from there! just follow whatever links interest you! IMO there arent really 'spoilers' in the 40k lore. The lore is way less linear than most universes. so you dont need to read from start to finish chronologically.

 

[JBSchroeds]

you could also try the fandom wiki
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Warhammer_40k_Wiki
its a bit of a hot mess editting wise, but it has a tonne of info. a tonne.
start by reading an article on the history of the imperium and go from there! just follow whatever links interest you! IMO there arent really 'spoilers' in the 40k lore. The lore is way less linear than most universes. so you dont need to read from start to finish chronologically.

Ain't that the damn truth! Most of the 40k lore is all "historical". It's stuff that's happened hundreds, thousands, even 10k years before the current "Dark Imperium" storyline. So stuff like the Horus Heresy, the Badab War, the Third War for Armageddon, the 13th Black Crusade, the Damocles Gulf Crusade, etc etc etc are all interesting storylines with very little overlap.

 

[quadrunner]

I want to start getting into warhammer40k as I have always loved that type of lore and fantasy, I played EQ religiously as a kid and love TES series so I figure this is a great next series to get into.

I bought vermintide 2 and total war 2 recently, I love vermintide and I would really like to get into total war 2 but it is so damn hard and complicated, I'm really struggling to get better at this RTS type of game.