War Room OT Discussion v2

[Gandhi]

Agreed, and maybe I'm rationalizing, but I believe Bisping fought exceptionally poorly against GSP. He had success nearly every time he pushed in, and handled the takedown game very well, but he remained tentative, just waiting to get pounded. I chalk it up to a psychological defeat more than a skill defeat. And obviously Whit is far better than Bisping, and has a stronger mind.

Definitely rationalizing. Bisping did everything he was supposed to, get back up, land shots, have better gas. GSP was just the tactician. Everyone thought ring rust would hold GSP back before the fight but seem to be forgetting it now. He has to better next time out. Which he will need to be.

Edit: and while B got back up from the takedowns, they really put B on his heels and made GSP's striking more effective. It really was classic GSP with some gas issues and getting hit issues which could have been the rust.

 

[HomerThompson]

Yep, he outclassed Brunson, Yoel and souza anyway you cut it -- dominant wins against top 5 guys.

And yeah, if a number 1 cotender who has 3 wins in a row over top 5 guys is overrated than so is the majority of every other contender and champion

You didn't even address my examples. Lame.

Also, the entire reasoning you're using is stupid. Was Anderson overrated in his Prime? Acting like Whitaker is as proven as anyone in the history of the sport is a laughable claim.

 

[HomerThompson]

Just to be clear, I think Whitaker is very good, and a tough fight for GSP.

 

[kpt018]

I'll PM you your shiny new sig.

Can’t wait lol

 

[Lead]

Damn, just saw that Dana said that GSP will stay at 185 and fight Whittaker. I don't want to see that. I mean, I'll watch the fight, but I'll be dreading and expecting a bad outcome for Georges.

The preflight interviews don't always mean much but he was saying in the press conferences he would fight Whittaker if he beat Bisping because he's a small MW as well. I think after that, he would consider vacating and maybe retiring. Kinda weird though cause if he wins, it leaves the division out two champs compared to if he left now and Whittaker would just become the undisputed one.

 

[Ruprecht]

What makes you say he hits harder than Bisping? I think he is faster than Bisping, but that's it. I don't think he has more weapons, and I also don't think he is more accurate.

He has been feasting on his speed advantage at MW. Mostly against old men. GSP will be as fast, with much better striking and experience than Whitaker. Whitaker hits hard enough to KO GSP, but only if he catches him perfect. There's no way he hits harder than Pre-USADA Bigg Rigg.

Just look at the effect Rob's punches have had. He uses more kicks, knees, elbows and he also uses uppercuts more often and more effectively than Bisping. His accuracy has noticeably improved as well, just looking at how much he throws and lands or even his overall fightmetric numbers (38% to 41%).

 

[HomerThompson]

Just look at the effect Rob's punches have had. He uses more kicks, knees, elbows and he also uses uppercuts more often and more effectively than Bisping. His accuracy has noticeably improved as well, just looking at how much he throws and lands or even his overall fightmetric numbers (38% to 41%).

He's 41% and Bisping is 38%?

 

[Gandhi]

I'll throw this out there but a lot can happen between post fight announcements the day after and the next fight. I would think that GSP is begging for a Silva fight.

Silva beat Bsping in many people's minds, if he wins in November he will have two in a row, it's the massive super fight that never happened. And of course like Bisping, it's GSP best title fight in both divisions.

Of course it will rightly piss off hardcore fans and make the MW crown even more of a joke, but not sure if that ever mattered to the UFC.

Right now it does not seem likely but it's def a possibility in my mind.

 

[HomerThompson]

47% of Whitaker's wins are by KO/TKO, 9/19.

53% of Bisping's wins are by KO/TKO, 16/30.

 

[snakedafunky]

I'll throw this out there but a lot can happen between post fight announcements the day after and the next fight. I would think that GSP is begging for a Silva fight.

Silva beat Bsping in many people's minds, if he wins in November he will have two in a row, it's the massive super fight that never happened. And of course like Bisping, it's GSP best title fight in both divisions.

Of course it will rightly piss off hardcore fans and make the MW crown even more of a joke, but not sure if that ever mattered to the UFC.

Right now it does not seem likely but it's def a possibility in my mind.

I was thinking the same thing. I also still believe this is what will happen given a Silva win.
No way the UFC is passing on that option if GSP and Silva are up for it. Which I think both are.
Silva doesn't have many big paydays left. And I think GSP would like a win over GSP.

 

[Ruprecht]

He's 41% and Bisping is 38%?

Yeah, but most of Rob's recent wins have been up around 50%. Bisping doesn't get that high (since his strikeforce days). He also has been getting most of his KO/TKO's of late (he started his career with submissions), whereas Bisping got his KO/TKOs early, and now mostly decisions.

 

[HomerThompson]

I was thinking the same thing. I also still believe this is what will happen given a Silva win.
No way the UFC is passing on that option if GSP and Silva are up for it. Which I think both are.
Silva doesn't have many big paydays left. And I think GSP would like a win over GSP.

 

[HomerThompson]

Yeah, but most of Rob's recent wins have been up around 50%. Bisping doesn't get that high. He also has been getting most of his KO/TKO's of late (he started his career with submissions), whereas Bisping got his KO/TKOs early, and now mostly decisions.

I think Rockhold smashes both of them anyway, if he can avoid fighting like a complete idiot. Big if, obviously. He was leaving his hands down again in the Branch fight. I was screaming at him through the TV:

"Put your fucking hands up, god dammit!!!"

 

[Gandhi]

I was thinking the same thing. I also still believe this is what will happen given a Silva win.
No way the UFC is passing on that option if GSP and Silva are up for it. Which I think both are.
Silva doesn't have many big paydays left. And I think GSP would like a win over GSP.

GSP wold def like a win over GSP

But I agree, and I think GSP wins this, I would not have said that pre Weidman

 

[Gandhi]

Fuck I want to work on half gaurd today but I'm too fucking hung over ughhhhhh

 

[all caps]

a rampage av? i don't think so bud, maybe that creepy asian kid with the burger addiction

Oops

Darkies all look the same to me

 

[JonesBones]

Definitely rationalizing. Bisping did everything he was supposed to, get back up, land shots, have better gas. GSP was just the tactician. Everyone thought ring rust would hold GSP back before the fight but seem to be forgetting it now. He has to better next time out. Which he will need to be.

Edit: and while B got back up from the takedowns, they really put B on his heels and made GSP's striking more effective. It really was classic GSP with some gas issues and getting hit issues which could have been the rust.

GSP looked fuckin massive. Like a tank. I think Rockhold beats him though.

You're right, Bisping did what he was supposed to. Not give him anything on the ground, cardio, etc.

 

[Ruprecht]

Still can't figure out for the life of me what Walt Harris was thinking.
Well... aside from, "I'll kick him in the head!" obviously.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I think Rockhold smashes both of them anyway, if he can avoid fighting like a complete idiot. Big if, obviously. He was leaving his hands down again in the Branch fight. I was screaming at him through the TV:

"Put your fucking hands up, god dammit!!!"

I'd give Whittaker a maybe 65% chance against Rockhold.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

You didn't even address my examples. Lame.

Also, the entire reasoning you're using is stupid. Was Anderson overrated in his Prime? Acting like Whitaker is as proven as anyone in the history of the sport is a laughable claim.

Your examples are odd -- of course there are non dominant wins, but comparing leben v silva to Whittaker last 3 wins make no senses considering he dominated all 3 of them and all of them were significantly ranked.

Then you compared 2 fights with quick finishes -- but yeah, Bisping dominated Rockhold in the 2nd fight and Serra outclassed GSP -- neither GSP or Rockhold did anything in those fights. But you can't compare them to Rob's last 3. None of them can be seen as "flukes"

And no, I'm saying Whittaker is as proven of a contender as anyone else in the UFC right now. Not sure how he's even close to be overrated.

No, Anderson was not overrated in his prime -- not sure what that has to do what we are talking about.

You said people are overrating Whittaker and no one here is. And Whittaker would deservedly be the favorite in a GSP fight.

What's your reasoning that he's overrated? Because he beat top contenders who are older? They still are extremely dangerous guys all of which were coming off big wins.

Bisping is old, does that take away from Georges win?