War Room Lounge v96: On behalf of my country, I'd just like to apologize for Hawaiian Pizza. Again.

[Trotsky]

I can't believe the Ukraine thread isn't more active after the Parnas documents were leaked.

They were stalking Ambassador Yovanovitch physically and electronically. Ukrainian officials warnedd her of her safety and the State Department called her up one day and told her to get on the first flight home.

This is like mob shit

Some Democrat on Twitter framed it in a way that made me believe Parnas, on Trump's orders, was really planning on murdering Yovanovitch.

And, still, when I saw it thought, "meh, Republicans won't care" and moved on.

 

[Mendacious]

Haven't checked out the sub in a while and now they have disclaimer on safety because one of the mods was touching and biting people lol



"Hey one of your mods here.

We want to be completely transparent about everything that has gone down. There was a person who was a mod at the r/Philadelphia weekly meetups that was touching people inappropriately, even after being asked not to. That person was confronted when they bit someone "playfully" and the former mod threatened bans from the subreddit and the events.

The mod is now a former mod and will not be at any events going forward. The people who have come forward are talking with police.

We want all these meetups to be as safe as meeting someone off the internet can be. If anyone makes you uncomfortable, touches you inappropriately, or more. Please reach out to us(the r/PhillyMeetups mods) and/or the police, even if it happens in the larger subreddit.

We take all of these reports seriously."

I wouldn’t trust a moderator (any mod anywhere) with my dog, much less a female family member

Power hungry weirdos

 

[Fawlty]

Really puts people's complaints about @Lead in perspective.

Oh great now even jack is owning me I'm really leaving this time

 

[Fawlty]

I can't believe the Ukraine thread isn't more active after the Parnas documents were leaked.

They were stalking Ambassador Yovanovitch physically and electronically. Ukrainian officials warnedd her of her safety and the State Department called her up one day and told her to get on the first flight home.

This is like mob shit

It's really fucking bad

 

[Jack V Savage]

Thanks for the post ... decent article, although it embeds specific leftist assumptions about the nature of political conflict, I.e. that it has some objectively desirable resolution.

Generally speaking, I would disagree with you though on the alignment ... certainly leftist circles in American politics tend to be dominated by technocratic forms of debate, but the actual demographics of the Democratic Party nowadays tend to express fairly violent and fractured lines of conflict among a constellation of interest groups. There was a good article I recently read on the growing division between the parties, and how Balkanization faction politics have come to dominate the Dems, just as populism dominates the GOP. Can’t recall the cite tho.

To be clear, I'm talking about myself. I tend to think that, for example, the primary candidates all have similar goals and different ideas about how to achieve them, and that some people in that debate are mostly right and others mostly wrong. But there's a large faction of people who see it through the conflict lens ("corporate cucks" or whatever vs. Fighters for the People).

Generally speaking, my view is that the essence of political disagreement is almost always driven by conflict rather than mistake. It’s precisely that which makes it identifiable as political conflict in the first place, as a distinct phenomenon relative to the generic forms of human technocracy that attempt to resolve problems by agreed metrics.

Yeah, I understand your position. Like I said last time, a lot of conflict is presented in terms of mistakes so it's tempting to think that just fixing the mistake will lead to some agreement (e.g. "actually, debt is not at crisis levels and there is no immediate threat of hyperinflation, and I can explain why"), but it never does. At the very least, though, calling out "mistakes" and the bad faith with which they are defended should lead to clarity about the true disagreement, though even that step is rarely reached because of that same bad faith.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Oh great now even jack is owning me I'm really leaving this time

I was really just randomly picking a mod for the joke. Wasn't thinking of your actual complaints.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

The Warren faithful are swimming upriver now.

But this childish shit doesn't reflect well on his supporters and gives them ammunition for "BernieBro" smears. Tread carefully.

 

[Jack V Savage]

But this childish shit doesn't reflect well on his supporters and gives them ammunition for "BernieBro" smears. Tread carefully.

Should just be taken for granted every primary season that Berniebots will find a reason to passionately hate every other candidate and most Americans.

 

[MMAisGod]

Just saw this now (came out in Jan. 2018):

https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/01/24/conflict-vs-mistake/

I'm pretty strongly in the mistake camp when it comes to internecine battles on the left, and I lean toward the conflict camp when it comes to battles between Republican politicians and Democratic politicians (it's more complicated you're talking about regular people, and of course there's a big range). It's always somewhat complicated, though.

Relates to the discussion I was having with @Zankou. BTW, note that it's actually quite short for an SSC piece--just looks long because the comments are below and there are over 1,000 of them.

That article was actually a really good read. I have many thoughts but no time to dive into it. I'll try to remember to come back to this tonight.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

Should just be taken for granted every primary season that Berniebots will find a reason to passionately hate every other candidate and most Americans.

They're an obnoxious but small minority of his supporters. It's important to emphasize that.

 

[Jack V Savage]

They're an obnoxious but small minority of his supporters. It's important to emphasize that.

Yes, that's true. Their visibility online is way out of proportion with their numbers.

 

[HockeyBjj]

The Warren faithful are swimming upriver now.

But this childish shit doesn't reflect well on his supporters and gives them ammunition for "BernieBro" smears. Tread carefully.

Will Trump be smart to stay out of this and let them fight each other? Or will he do something stupid to rally them together against him?

My money on the later

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Just read the WSJ article on the China-US trade deal and it seems like a real nothing burger.

 

[JDragon]

Oh great now even jack is owning me I'm really leaving this time

Ha, I didn't read it that way but it would've been a fantastic burn if intended

 

[Gregolian]

Why is it when you see young pretty women with those old dudes that have a beer gut in a speedo..... those guys always look stereotypically Greek?

 

[tonni]

Some Democrat on Twitter framed it in a way that made me believe Parnas, on Trump's orders, was really planning on murdering Yovanovitch.

And, still, when I saw it thought, "meh, Republicans won't care" and moved on.

How is this not a thread?

 

[LMP]

Why is it when you see young pretty women with those old dudes that have a beer gut in a speedo..... those guys always look stereotypically Greek?

Greek guys in speedos have big bank accounts?

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

 

[Gregolian]

Greek guys in speedos have big bank accounts?

Maybe. Part of me admittedly wondered if the pictures of those guys work better for the “remember who owns the 100 foot yacht” type memes as you had guys like Hefner here in the States.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]