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War Room Lounge v92: The amount of strange s%#! on the internet that we can't share here is amazing

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Phoenix is good, the rest of it is incredibly forgettable.
It's one of the least forgettable films of all-time.

"The frost..." see, I type those words and you insta-re-experience that badass line.

"I did not know men could build such things"

Everything with the great slaver character

The fight against the chariots

The scene of Maximus arriving back home to an executed family

Come ON, man.
 
It's one of the least forgettable films of all-time.

"The frost..." see, I type those words and you insta-re-experience that badass line.

"I did not know men could build such things"

Everything with the great slaver character

The fight against the chariots

The scene of Maximus arriving back home to an executed family

Come ON, man.
Literally none of those evoke any sort of memory response from me.

This song:


INSTANTLY reminds me of this scene:



The line "my world, is fire... and blood" brings this movie to mind instantly:


Copperhead Road comes on and this damn movie immediately comes to mind:



I will admit, the guy that was Crowe's "owner" in the movie is incredibly memorable but that's partially the actor. The same way McShane being in Game of Thrones for like 2 episodes and in John Wick as the NY manager of The Continental in John Wick are incredibly memorable.
 
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Don't get me wrong, I can see why people like Gladiator. Just as a guy that loved taking history classes in high school and college it's hard to get into it when you find out Marcus was a real character and his life wasn't like it was portrayed. HE WAS A FUCKING EMPEROR FOR FUCK SAKE DURING A TIME PERIOD KNOWN AS PAX ROMANA AKA PEACE TIME!

You want me to get INTO a Roman movie? Show me the fight against the Gauls, have me sit in during the time of Caligula, let me see how Nero let the Empire begin to crumble to the point that in absentia they voted him an enemy of the state and he commits suicide... go back to the Roman myths of how they started with the wolves Romulus and Reamus, turn Damocles tale into a feature length movie similar to what they did when Clash of the Titans made the tale of Perseus into a movie (I know the remakes were crap but goddamnit I want a third one as Fiennes being Hades and Neeson being Zeus was the tits).
 
With the other capeshit movies its harder for me to see what others see in it but with this one I acknowledge its a well made film so I understand why people like it. I liked elements and parts of it a lot as well but just overall I don't think I enjoyed it as much as others like yourself did.

Its almost a great movie for me but something just didn't click for me.

What are your feelings on Hot Rod? Rod wears a cape.
 
Don't get me wrong, I can see why people like Gladiator. Just as a guy that loved taking history classes in high school and college it's hard to get into it when you find out Marcus was a real character and his life wasn't like it was portrayed. HE WAS A FUCKING EMPEROR FOR FUCK SAKE DURING A TIME PERIOD KNOWN AS PAX ROMANA AKA PEACE TIME!

You want me to get INTO a Roman movie? Show me the fight against the Gauls, have me sit in during the time of Caligula, let me see how Nero let the Empire begin to crumble to the point that in absentia they voted him an enemy of the state and he commits suicide... go back to the Roman myths of how they started with the wolves Romulus and Reamus, turn Damocles tale into a feature length movie similar to what they did when Clash of the Titans made the tale of Perseus into a movie (I know the remakes were crap but goddamnit I want a third one as Fiennes being Hades and Neeson being Zeus was the tits).
The more I learned about the Gauls, the more boring they sounded.

You know who has been really fucking neglected in myth-based film? Theseus. FFS, most interesting life ever. And it's not like he's obscure.
 
The more I learned about the Gauls, the more boring they sounded.

You know who has been really fucking neglected in myth-based film? Theseus. FFS, most interesting life ever.
That's cause he's the myth based individual that founded Athens. When you have maniac war mongering Sparta for myths it's hard to get riled up about a guy that founded a bunch of debaters and the inventor of the most annoying (albeit best though) teaching method known to mankind.

The guy I want more about is Hannibal. Not the nutbag that eats people but the one that tried to conquer Greece like 3-4 times.

You want an emotional response from media? The opening quote from Dick Winters in this fan trailer:


Or the scene when they find the camp later in the series and they have to withhold food from the survivors for fear of them eating themselves to death.
 
Being half Japanese I find Last Samurai honestly incredibly insulting.

The armor is all fucking wrong. Yes, there was steel type armor during the Meiji restoration but it wasn't nearly as prolific as the movie makes it out to be.

The design is far more Chinese/Mongol looking than Japanese with the foot soldiers and the red armor Cruise wears being the only shit that looks like historical Japanese armor.

Some dude just shows up as a prisoner and learns how to be a top tier sword user in like 8 months? FUCK OFF with that horseshit. Having done kendo, you don't progress NEARLY as fast as he does so that's a fucking joke.
Yeah, but it's not a history lesson. I mean, Jack Sparrow wears too much eye shadow and has a terrible English accent, but that movie was a great watch (the first one was, anyway). And who wants to see a movie about a guy who was already awesome at swords go rediscover his honor in a strange land where he gets just a little better at swords? The point is he refused to quit and he learned about real honor in the process. What makes or breaks a premise like that, imho, is the delivery. Cruise was great, one of his best performances. The main samurai actor is awesome in everthing, and the story was engaging from start to finish.

The again, I'm a simple guy. I get excited about Bruce Lee movies and and a totally clean tissue on the first wipe after a poop. I definitely go into every movie thinking I'll let it take me where it wants, so I don't overthink it. Also, I'm half kidding, everyone's taste's are different and to each their own.
 
What are your feelings on Hot Rod? Rod wears a cape.
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Yeah, but it's not a history lesson. I mean, Jack Sparrow wears too much eye shadow and has a terrible English accent, but that movie was a great watch (the first one was, anyway). And who wants to see a movie about a guy who was already awesome at swords go rediscover his honor in a strange land where he gets just a little better at swords? The point is he refused to quit and he learned about real honor in the process. What makes or breaks a premise like that, imho, is the delivery. Cruise was great, one of his best performances. The main samurai actor is awesome in everthing, and the story was engaging from start to finish.

The again, I'm a simple guy. I get excited about Bruce Lee movies and and a totally clean tissue on the first wipe after a poop. I definitely go into every movie thinking I'll let it take me where it wants, so I don't overthink it. Also, I'm half kidding, everyone's taste's are different and to each their own.
I'm a pretty simple guy too. The most complicated shit I've watched recently for enjoyment has been The Wire... for the 5th fucking time.

My favorite recent movies have been these:


And TV show this:


My biggest issue is ancient/feudal Japan is RARELY explored by Hollywood, and it's usually bastardized. Cruise's character arc in that movie is great, a guy getting redemption but being that I got to 3Dan in Kendo, and am half Japanese the wrongs of the movie bother me to NO end to the point it isn't enjoyable.

47 Ronin is a GREAT fucking example. I don't hold Keanu responsible for it but they took an INCREDIBLE true story of 47 samurai whose Lord got embarrassed and twisted into committing a crime that got him executed. So, the 47 chose a life of exile and plot revenge for several years and raid the offending subject's castle and kill fucking EVERYONE and take their punishment of execution and metaphorically spit in the face of the Shogun when he basically tells them to grovel for forgiveness and he won't kill them.

Instead, Hollywood gives us Clash of the Titans in Asia with a ton of Chinese actors:


The premise is there (Lord dies, vassals vie for revenge) but it's just a re-skinned Clash of the Titans. That foreign movie did a way WAY better fictional version of it:


13 Assassins even gets the part right where the one outsider that WASN'T a vassal and wanted revenge for ulterior motives on the same guy survives everything.
 
who wants to see a movie about a guy who was already awesome at swords go rediscover his honor in a strange land where he gets just a little better at swords?
This tickled me.
 
That makes a bit more sense, but I still felt like there was very little payoff like you would expect in a superhero/villain movie.

If you want to explore madness, explore it. Don't need the Joker for that.

So it's basically, "Nothing really happened, and what we showed you that happened probably didn't happen either"

If you weren't able to pick up on the fact that the girl never had a relationship with Phoenix's character you probably shouldn't be commenting on your analysis of the film in public.
 
That foreign movie did a way WAY better fictional version of it:


13 Assassins even gets the part right where the one outsider that WASN'T a vassal and wanted revenge for ulterior motives on the same guy survives everything.

I loved 13 Assassins. I knew I was in for an awesome movie when the main character said something to the effect of "my hands are shaking because I never thought I'd have the opportunity to die in battle"
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That is to me an attribute of the ideal man; capable of extreme violence at the drop of a hat but only willing to wield it in the service of a just cause and willing to patiently wait for one knowing full well it may never come.
 
I loved 13 Assassins. I knew I was in for an awesome movie when the main character said something to the effect of "my hands are shaking because I never thought I'd have the opportunity to die in battle"
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That is to me an attribute of the ideal man; capable of extreme violence at the drop of a hat but only willing to wield it in the service of a just cause and willing to patiently wait for one knowing full well it may never come.
It was a far more badass line than this one:


Simply because he was so calm. It's similar to this one:


The disturbing finality of Bana's characters "we need to wash out the Humvees" and the dude trying to chop the cast off to go get his friends.

"I can't go back out there"
"Thomas, everyone feels the same way you do... alright? It's what you do right now that makes a difference, it's your call"

Like, you want an emotional response from me, Garfield portraying Desmond Doss saying "just one more" after every person he lowered off the ridge will get it:


Sam NOT throwing Frodo into the volcano will get an angry emotional response from me.

This damn scene:


"How do you think the Chiefs performance review is going to go?"
"He'll get a medal"
"The DELTA guys?"
"Medals"
..... "What do we get?"
..... "We get to go home"

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Can I just add I am severely gotten to that I can't for some reason find 13 Assassins on streaming services anymore?
 
That is to me an attribute of the ideal man; capable of extreme violence at the drop of a hat but only willing to wield it in the service of a just cause and willing to patiently wait for one knowing full well it may never come.
I know we're all here because we're fans of a combat sport but JFC.
 
I know we're all here because we're fans of a combat sport but JFC.
I think it's something you see a lot more in the guys that are in the military. They don't say it the same way anymore but like Marines yelling "get some" as they ramped up to invade Iraq is a lot of that "now I finally get to do what I've been trained to do instead of sitting on a base being yelled at by MPs all day long"

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I also get what @Kafir-kun is saying. There's a certain admirable quality about at least personally knowing people that are capable and have the skills to commit extreme violence that either:
A.) Never use it and are well adjusted folks in daily life

or

B.) Have only ever used it in the defense of others or in the arena of say combat (as an example).

The best bouncers I ever worked with would fall into this category. All of them, if they really wanted to, could seriously fuck people up and put people in the hospital for lengthy stays by themselves, but rarely or never actually did and could retrain themselves from doing so.
 
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I know we're all here because we're fans of a combat sport but JFC.
To be clear I don't like how some fetishize violence either. We see that a lot in America with the gun culture we have. There's a whole bubble of people who fetishize the crap out of home defense despite the fact that only like 13% of home invasions in America occur when the house is occupied and despite the fact that most of the people who can afford to shell out thousands of dollars for guns and their accessories probably live in relatively secure neighborhoods anyway.

Violence is ugly and ideally it should be exercised reluctantly and out of necessity. Glorifying the images of violence is not healthy for the psyche IMO. Its like cleaning shit, no one should want to do it but we should all understand that someone has to and that done well its an admirable thing to do.
 
I think it's something you see a lot more in the guys that are in the military. They don't say it the same way anymore but like Marines yelling "get some" as they ramped up to invade Iraq is a lot of that "now I finally get to do what I've been trained to do instead of sitting on a base being yelled at by MPs all day long"
I prefer the old ideal of the militia. Military service was, in colonial America, seen in a bad light and as a job fit for ruffians and thugs. The militia was the last resort made up of reluctant farmers and apprentices who were fighting because they had to, not because they wanted to. But, in theory at least, they were still supposed to be ready to serve at a moment's notice.
 
To be clear I don't like how some fetishize violence either. We see that a lot in America with the gun culture we have. There's a whole bubble of people who fetishize the crap out of home defense despite the fact that only like 13% of home invasions in America occur when the house is occupied and despite the fact that most of the people who can afford to shell out thousands of dollars for guns and their accessories probably live in relatively secure neighborhoods anyway.

Violence is ugly and ideally it should be exercised reluctantly and out of necessity. Glorifying the images of violence is not healthy for the psyche IMO. Its like cleaning shit, no one should want to do it but we should all understand that someone has to and that done well its an admirable thing to do.
I wanted a scene in a movie where a guy is starting to date a second-generation girl with a crazy eastern European father. He starts the conversation with:

"You want to date my daughter? Show me your weapons. A man should have good weapons."
 
I prefer the old ideal of the militia. Military service was, in colonial America, seen in a bad light and as a job fit for ruffians and thugs. The militia was the last resort made up of reluctant farmers and apprentices who were fighting because they had to, not because they wanted to. But, in theory at least, they were still supposed to be ready to serve at a moment's notice.
It's because of where I live (and going to Black Rifle Coffee to get, well, coffee stuff here) I've ran into a ton of like infantry guys and shit, went shooting with Evan Hafer and a bunch of his employees (who were all like Rangers and shit) and most of your modern military guys... their outlook can be summed up as:
"I hope I never have to use my training, ever again for anything other than shooting paper/steel targets or teaching a class on how to use a first aid kit"
 
I wanted a scene in a movie where a guy is starting to date a second-generation girl with a crazy eastern European father. He starts the conversation with:

"You want to date my daughter? Show me your weapons. A man should have good weapons."


"You mean Boris the sneaky fucking Russian"
 
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