War Room Lounge v72: Nope

[HockeyBjj]

Very sad story made even more sad that she had this terrible accident happen all for the sake of a shitty finale for a shitty franchise.

Why would she ever even need to sue for that?

Seems like such a blatant thing company should be instantly paying all medical bills, double the expected ceiling of her career until retirement (seems she was a major stunt woman with that marvel resume) and whatever the hell she asks for for pain and suffering and loss of life fulfillment with a missing arm.

Your stunt fucks up like that, you gotta take the utmost care of the people involved. Especially something as major as a loss of limb and therfore career. Just wow on her needing to sue to even get full medical costs. Fuck that company.

 

[Lord Coke]

Man who survived bison goring goes on date, his date gets attacked by a bison
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/...6ozGOA-IaqPtVD_jGQRSmvWREyVEpGDSZNT4ehloMpPHMSeptember 30, 2019 at 4:16 AM HST - Updated September 30 at 6:48 AM


OGDEN, Utah (KSTU/CNN) - Kyler Bourgeous was gored and trampled by a bison at Antelope Island State Park in June.

Recently, Bourgeous was on a date at the same park, when he watched it happen again.

His date, Kayleigh Davis, said she wasn't trying to get a selfie or antagonizing the animal in any way. Instead, she was trying to get out of the way of some bikers.

"All of the sudden, I see the bison charging me, so I start running towards the lake away from it, and it flips me up," Davis said.

She hit the ground, fracturing her ankle and her thigh gushed blood from where the bison gored her. Through the pain, she remained calm as she braced for a second attack.

"He was doing that whole paw thing, digging at the dirt like he's going to charge after me again," Davis said.

She remembered what Bourgeous had told her about his own attack and didn't move.


"I've heard from his story - just stay still so it doesn't come charging at you again," she said.

That worked, the animal left her alone and Bourgeous was there to help Davis through it.

"My heart just drops because I know that pain," Bourgeous said. "I was holding her head and squeezing her hand."

When Bourgeous was gored, he suffered from a collapsed lung, broken ribs and internal injuries.

Now that Davis is recovering from the attack, the two are able to laugh about their extremely unlucky odds.

“To me it feels like it would be a one in a million chance,” Davis said. “It could’ve been worse, I could say. I think it could have been worse.”

Utah State Parks officials say to stay as far away from bison as possible, backing away slowly if you do encounter one.

Copyright 2019 KSTU, Tribune CNN. All rights reserved.

 

[MMAisGod]

You're basing your entire position on a complete lack of evidence.

There is nothing scientific about it so it's hard for me to take it seriously.

I am, that's my position lol. There is no evidence, so I am more likely to assume that over 13 billion years "there absolutely is more advanced life than us out there" rather than "there's nothing until we find it and their ecosystem must sustain life exactly like ours does". Unless we can prove the entire vast universe is a baron wasteland I find that a highly, highly, highly unrealistic conclusion.

Imagine explaining our current air-travel situation to someone in the 1950s (the same as it was then except cheaper, safer, and less comfortable). For most technology, there's an initial burst followed by stagnation.

That's part of my point too though. It'll have it's spikes, but there will always be forward growth. Imagine what the space travel system will be like in 1000 years, or 10000 years, or 100000 years. With a 13 billion year window, some "aliens" could easily have gotten a leg up on us by a couple million years. When I check what science is saying, they're always talking about "sustainable life" with water, oxygen, etc on other planets. By my counter to that is very simple, I'm not willing to tie an alien life form to what we deem "sustainable life", because we don't know if they're standards would be different. While we replaced the dinosaurs, some alien Joes out there could have been consistently advancing this entire time.

 

[HockeyBjj]

What a nightmare that must be. Onions are like the base of everything lol

She loves Italian food too. And chili

Send help.

 

[Jack V Savage]

That's part of my point too though. It'll have it's spikes, but there will always be forward growth. Imagine what the space travel system will be like in 1000 years, or 10000 years, or 100000 years. With a 13 billion year window, some "aliens" could easily have gotten a leg up on us by a couple million years.

From what we know, I don't see any reason to expect it to be that much better. Here's another thing to look at: The world record mile was 4:10 in 1925. It's currently 3:43 (set in 1999). What will it be in 10,000 years? Better, no doubt, but not much. We're running about as fast as "we" can. We're not going to be seeing people running 1-minute miles ever. Or flying near the speed of light. And that's putting aside my thought that I think our development path was very lucky (and thus unlikely).

The way I see it, as general rules (about human nature and reality) the faster the growth that we see is, the higher our expectations for future growth are but the lower they should be.

 

[all caps]

Mushrooms are the best on everything. Whenever I meet someone who doesn't like them I look at them sideways. Same with onions. Who was it here that doesn't like onions? Was it jack or Trotsky? I can't remember

Took me about 20 years to come around to enjoying onions.

I dont think there are enough years to get me on the mushroom train however.

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

Imagine explaining our current air-travel situation to someone in the 1950s (the same as it was then except cheaper, safer, and less comfortable). For most technology, there's an initial burst followed by stagnation.

The "little bit of time" in which we've made almost all of our (supra-biological) advancements is so small that it actually makes me even more skeptical. Imagine if a slight change in circumstances had rendered moot the possibility of growth at all.

How many species sit there with all the equipment they need for a growth explosion only to live a perfectly stable existence for tens of thousands of years before the environment wipes them out?

The way I see it, as general rules (about human nature and reality) the faster the growth that we see is, the higher our expectations for future growth are but the lower they should be.

What about Moore's Law?

 

[MMAisGod]

From what we know, I don't see any reason to expect it to be that much better. Here's another thing to look at: The world record mile was 4:10 in 1925. It's currently 3:43 (set in 1999). What will it be in 10,000 years? Better, no doubt, but not much. We're running about as fast as "we" can. We're not going to be seeing people running 1-minute miles ever. Or flying near the speed of light. And that's putting aside my thought that I think our development path was very lucky (and thus unlikely).

The way I see it, as general rules (about human nature and reality) the faster the growth that we see is, the higher our expectations for future growth are but the lower they should be.

I agree with our human element but not on the tech for another species, because we don't know how much longer of a head start their technological advancements would have started over ours. 10,000 years we might look like Deus Ex with enhanced cybernetics that has us running miles in one minute. Or gene splicing on the level where we're talking about "natural humans" being rare/poor. On the technology side that is.

On the human side, yea in 10,000 years we might naturally run a mile at say 2.8 for the record. I don't think our genetics will allow us to insta-sprint any time soon. The growth is pretty long and organic. But that's "our" genetics. What if Alien Joe was born with invisible teleporting abilities for their race halfway across the universe 300 million years ago, and as they evolve the strength of their teleportation does? I mean, that's pretty sci-fi heavy lol, but with this vast unknown universe I don't scratch it out as a possibility. Our galaxy alone has what? 30 billion planets? It's the hardest of hard sells for me to say 30 billion planets in our galaxy, all have no life or lesser life than ours. That we are the one planet out of 30 billion to be smart enough to type this post.

 

[HockeyBjj]

What about Moore's Law?

Moore's Law ended about 2014-2016. Even IBM has hit a hard wall in terms of transistor sizing and therefore processing speed.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601441/moores-law-is-dead-now-what/

So we're plateaud with even computing power until a major breakthrough is made

 

[Jack V Savage]

The "little bit of time" in which we've made almost all of our (supra-biological) advancements is so small that it actually makes me even more skeptical. Imagine if a slight change in circumstances had rendered moot the possibility of growth at all.

How many species sit there with all the equipment they need for a growth explosion only to live a perfectly stable existence for tens of thousands of years before the environment wipes them out?

Yeah, our own species sat here for 200,000 years before making any progress at all toward space travel. And we appear to have seriously stalled out on it. So even stipulating a species with the capacity to develop technologically in that way, it seems that actually doing it is very unlikely.

What about Moore's Law?

I think something like that can happen with new-ish technology. But Moore's Law appears to be dead now. Again, look at travel. We went from slow-moving trains in the early 1800s, to airplanes in the early 1900s, to commercial jets going 500 mph in the mid-1900s, to commercial jets going 500 mph cheaper and more safely in the 2000s. If you went back in time to 1950 and told someone what commercial flight would be like in 2020, they'd be floored at how little changed it is.

 

[Higus]

What about Moore's Law?

It speaks to the fundamental nature of progress. At a certain point, the ability to create transistors on an integrated circuit will be constrained by the molecular structure of the material they are made of. At that point, to progress further will require a completely different paradigm, like quantum computing or photonic transistors. To use the running example, if humans were to break the 1-minute mile, it would require a technique or physiology that is so outside the box we can't even imagine it with the constraints we have today.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I agree with our human element but not on the tech for another species, because we don't know how much longer of a head start their technological advancements would have started over ours. 10,000 years we might look like Deus Ex with enhanced cybernetics that has us running miles in one minute. Or gene splicing on the level where we're talking about "natural humans" being rare/poor. On the technology side that is.

On the human side, yea in 10,000 years we might naturally run a mile at say 2.8 for the record. I don't think our genetics will allow us to insta-sprint any time soon. The growth is pretty long and organic. But that's "our" genetics. What if Alien Joe was born with invisible teleporting abilities for their race halfway across the universe 300 million years ago, and as they evolve the strength of their teleportation does? I mean, that's pretty sci-fi heavy lol, but with this vast unknown universe I don't scratch it out as a possibility. Our galaxy alone has what? 30 billion planets? It's the hardest of hard sells for me to say 30 billion planets in our galaxy, all have no life or lesser life than ours. That we are the one planet out of 30 billion to be smart enough to type this post.

See Higus' point. The nature of progress is that we get a breakthrough, start running with it, and then hit a wall. With space travel, we can see the wall, and it's not just with a particular type of transportation (though we'll hit walls with all of those, too).

 

[Ruprecht]

The actual time aliens had to get here is likely roughly the exact same time we had to get to them once the universe settled.

Not really. The star systems vary a lot in age, and ours isn't the oldest.

 

[Rational Poster]

Not really. The star systems vary a lot in age, and ours isn't the oldest.

I said roughly, not exactly.

I don't think humans are going to develop exponentially faster than light travel in the next billion years which is probably a fair margin of error for roughly.

 

[MMAisGod]

See Higus' point. The nature of progress is that we get a breakthrough, start running with it, and then hit a wall. With space travel, we can see the wall, and it's not just with a particular type of transportation (though we'll hit walls with all of those, too).

All of that applies to humanity though. Our perceptions based on our knowledge of humans, earth, animals, previous and modern technology, etc. If a life force on planet xyz defies all the logic we've learned, there's no way we'd actually know unless/until they decided to fly over here and educate us.

 

[Jack V Savage]

All of that applies to humanity though. Our perceptions based on our knowledge of humans, earth, animals, previous and modern technology, etc. If a life force on planet xyz defies all the logic we've learned, there's no way we'd actually know unless/until they decided to fly over here and educate us.

Yeah, but throughout most of human history, technological and scientific progress has been almost nil. I don't think what we've seen since the early 1800s is what we should continually expect. It is different in that we are developing systematic ways to understand things and grow our knowledge, but even there, it's like after many years, we've found a flashlight and we're looking around the house. There are some dark corners remaining, and some surprising discoveries, but no good reason to assume that we don't have a rough idea of where we live.

 

[Graves The Elder]

"Hand stuck, little help here."

 

[Rational Poster]

I am, that's my position lol. There is no evidence, so I am more likely to assume that over 13 billion years "there absolutely is more advanced life than us out there" rather than "there's nothing until we find it and their ecosystem must sustain life exactly like ours does". Unless we can prove the entire vast universe is a baron wasteland I find that a highly, highly, highly unrealistic conclusion.



That's part of my point too though. It'll have it's spikes, but there will always be forward growth. Imagine what the space travel system will be like in 1000 years, or 10000 years, or 100000 years. With a 13 billion year window, some "aliens" could easily have gotten a leg up on us by a couple million years. When I check what science is saying, they're always talking about "sustainable life" with water, oxygen, etc on other planets. By my counter to that is very simple, I'm not willing to tie an alien life form to what we deem "sustainable life", because we don't know if they're standards would be different. While we replaced the dinosaurs, some alien Joes out there could have been consistently advancing this entire time.

I didn't say there was no life out there.. just that if there is life out there there is close to zero chance they actually are able to make it here, even if they wanted to. If there was anyone advanced close enough we would have detected them ourselves which means any life that exists is millions of years away.

Humans haven't even been a thing for that long when we're talking about this sort of scale.

 

[senri]

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We're still talking about grading banknotes, right? As opposed to, say, cuts of beefcake?

Yes

 

[Jack V Savage]

"Hand stuck, little help here."

I thought you were old. You don't know what a still photo is?