War Room Lounge v64

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

I’ve seen it misused quite a few times recently. Yours is iffy buster.

Sounds like a fatalistic fantasy imo.

 

[Fawlty]

What about a gun with a fleshlight?

Paint it red and stencil "MAGA" on it and you'll make a million bucks.

 

[Gutter Chris]

A fleshlight with a flashlight sounds more useful tbh.

I dunno man. Shotgun with a flashlight just seems like a good thing to have around just in case some shit goes down one night ... you are more than likely never gonna need it but should the situation ever arise youll be glad you did . Mines never shot anyone but its come in super handy when the power has gone out a few times . Im a bum and never remember where I stashed the flashlights but I always know where the gauge is . Makes a great lamp in a pinch

 

[Fawlty]

I dunno man. Shotgun with a flashlight just seems like a good thing to have around just in case some shit goes down one night ... you are more than likely never gonna need it but should the situation ever arise youll be glad you did . Mines never shot anyone but its come in super handy when the power has gone out a few times . Im a bum and never remember where I stashed the flashlights but I always know where the gauge is . Makes a great lamp in a pinch

That's fine if you're defending yourself inside your house, but if somebody is breaking into the neighbor's (in this situation they're not home), it's not very useful. Holding somebody at gunpoint is legally very delicate, and then what if they don't care? You gonna shoot them? And if it's a situation where they might charge you or something, is that really how you want to spend your night and the next few months of your life?

 

[Gutter Chris]

That's fine if you're defending yourself inside your house, but if somebody is breaking into the neighbor's, it's not very useful. Holding somebody at gunpoint is legally very delicate, and then what if they don't care? You gonna shoot them? And if it's a situation where they might charge you or something, is that really how you want to spend your night and the next few months of your life?

Is it against the law to confront someone breaking into your neighbors house ? Are guns not allowed to be used and brandished if you feared for someones safety ? It seems rather reasonable to me to hold that dude at gunpoint at that point and would make for a better society if people were to do those kinds of things more often . Its a whole nother discussion I think but I dont think criminals should have any kind of expectation of safety at all

 

[Fawlty]

Is it against the law to confront someone breaking into your neighbors house ? Are guns not allowed to be used and brandished if you feared for someones safety ? It seems rather reasonable to me to hold that dude at gunpoint at that point and would make for a better society if people were to do those kinds of things more often . Its a whole nother discussion I think but I dont think criminals should have any kind of expectation of safety at all

I'm not talking about the law (that varies) but about the usefulness of the tool. By bringing a gun into the situation you're purposefully introducing an immediate lethal threat, so you'd best have a good fucking reason. If I can't chase off a burglar with a flashlight from a distance, I probably can't do it with a gun up close forcing the issue and creating more danger. I would never hold a person at gunpoint I wasn't prepared to kill. You're not just holding them there, you're preparing to kill them at any moment. The threat has to be real because you've compromised your own safety too by introducing the new lethal threat.

I agree the criminal shouldn't have any expectation of safety at all- they should expect they might be killed for the simple reason that somebody might be home and blow them away in self-defense, or an overzealous neighbor might also shoot them.

On the whole, a phone and a flashlight are far superior to a gun in a situation like that. If it's a live home invasion though, like with people home, nothing but a gun will do.

 

[Higus]

Is it against the law to confront someone breaking into your neighbors house ? Are guns not allowed to be used and brandished if you feared for someones safety ? It seems rather reasonable to me to hold that dude at gunpoint at that point and would make for a better society if people were to do those kinds of things more often . Its a whole nother discussion I think but I dont think criminals should have any kind of expectation of safety at all

At that point you are crossing the line from being forced to defend yourself to interjecting yourself into a dangerous situation, potentially making it even more dangerous for them and you than if you had stayed out of it.

 

[Gutter Chris]

I'm not talking about the law (that varies) but about the usefulness of the tool. By bringing a gun into the situation you're purposefully introducing an immediate lethal threat, so you'd best have a good fucking reason. If I can't chase off a burglar with a flashlight from a distance, I probably can't do it with a gun up close forcing the issue and creating more danger. I would never hold a person at gunpoint I wasn't prepared to kill. You're not just holding them there, you're preparing to kill them at any moment. The threat has to be real because you've compromised your own safety too by introducing the new lethal threat.

I agree the criminal shouldn't have any expectation of safety at all- they should expect they might be killed for the simple reason that somebody might be home and blow them away in self-defense, or an overzealous neighbor might also shoot them.

On the whole, a phone and a flashlight are far superior to a gun in a situation like that.

A phone and a flashlight wouldnt have done you much good if he was armed and decided that he needed to take you out to make a clean get away. I would encourage you in the future to not confront any more would be robbers if you arent armed. But I do tend to be one of those people that plans for the worst and hopes for the best . I actually think a phone and a pistol would be the ideal combo for that confrontation and the shotgun might be a bit much unless that was your only option.

People who break into peoples houses a lot of the time tend to be whacked out on dope and there is no limit to the possibilities of what might go wrong in a confrontation . I commend you for confronting the dude regardless of what tool you had though a lot of people would do nothing and not want to get involved

I dont think parking spots are worth a confrontation but if your community isnt worth defending nothing is

 

[Fawlty]

At that point you are crossing the line from being forced to defend yourself and interjecting yourself into a dangerous situation, potentially making it even more dangerous for them and you than if you had stayed out of it.

In the example I gave, I was standing there with just a fence between us and really wishing I didn't have a knife on me (or a gun). Turned out the guy was fucked up on drugs and disoriented, and I was able to trick him into thinking I was a cop so he mostly stayed put, but when he tried to open the gate between us what the fuck was I gonna do? Stab him? Or if I had a gun, shoot him? No...and because I had a serious weapon on me, I couldn't wrassle with him or anything. It was a binary choice between staying out of his way or trying to kill him, nothing in between. Very limited options.

Thankfully another person had the good sense to come out with a walking stick, far more useful tool there. Good for sitting people down on their butts. The flashlight was also useful when the dude's friend tried to jump me and I was able to put the light on him, and he took off the other way. What was a gun or knife going to do there except get somebody killed?

 

[Gutter Chris]

At that point you are crossing the line from being forced to defend yourself to interjecting yourself into a dangerous situation, potentially making it even more dangerous for them and you than if you had stayed out of it.

What if you new for a fact your neighbor was home and was about to get a hell of a surprise ?

It takes the police a second to respond even in the best of neighborhoods and often times you will be the first line of defense in a situation .

Yea the second you walk outside you are putting yourself in danger but there are times where that is still the right move to make . People should be protective of their neighbors and their neighborhoods and there should be more legal protections in place for people in those situations.

 

[BarryDillon]

He possessed a lot of ground apparently

You just have to pay 50 life credits to get that sick, "Visa Platinum Everywhere You Want to Be", "self defense" card.

It legally entitles you to chase down and execute anyone with whom you escalate a confrontation. Comes in super handy.


*Some exclusions may apply, including that your warranty is void if you kill someone richer than you.

 

[BarryDillon]

You just have to pay 50 life credits to get that sick, "Visa Platinum Everywhere You Want to Be", "self defense" card.

It legally entitles you to chase down and execute anyone with whom you escalate a confrontation. Comes in super handy.


*Some exclusions may apply, including that your warranty is void if you kill someone richer than you.

Or of a lighter skin color.

 

[Gutter Chris]

What was a gun or knife going to do there except get somebody killed?

Had that robber and his friend tried to attack a knife is better than nothing is it not ? I wouldnt pick a knife though because I have always been told the courts dont often find it a valid self defense weapon

I dont think parking spots are a valid reason to shoot someone but if you confront a robber and then they attack you that seems like a really cut and dried defense situation to me

 

[BarryDillon]

Sounds like a fatalistic fantasy imo.

How related is this to the Pleasure Principle, oh woah?

 

[Fawlty]

A phone and a flashlight wouldnt have done you much good if he was armed and decided that he needed to take you out to make a clean get away. I would encourage you in the future to not confront any more would be robbers if you arent armed. But I do tend to be one of those people that plans for the worst and hopes for the best . I actually think a phone and a pistol would be the ideal combo for that confrontation and the shotgun might be a bit much unless that was your only option.

People who break into peoples houses a lot of the time tend to be whacked out on dope and there is no limit to the possibilities of what might go wrong in a confrontation . I commend you for confronting the dude regardless of what tool you had though a lot of people would do nothing and not want to get involved

I dont think parking spots are worth a confrontation but if your community isnt worth defending nothing is

Would take a shotgun over a pistol 100/100 times there, if a gun was going to come into play (distance control, accuracy boost are two reasons). Hear you on the part about not confronting people, gotta evaluate from a distance and it was that sort of situation where you could be confident it was just a person who was fucked up. But yeah those people often have guns too, good point.

 

[Higus]

In the example I gave, I was standing there with just a fence between us and really wishing I didn't have a knife on me (or a gun). Turned out the guy was fucked up on drugs and disoriented, and I was able to trick him into thinking I was a cop so he mostly stayed put, but when he tried to open the gate between us what the fuck was I gonna do? Stab him? Or if I had a gun, shoot him? No...and because I had a serious weapon on me, I couldn't wrassle with him or anything. It was a binary choice between staying out of his way or trying to kill him, nothing in between. Very limited options.

Thankfully another person had the good sense to come out with a walking stick, far more useful tool there. Good for sitting people down on their butts. The flashlight was also useful when the dude's friend tried to jump me and I was able to put the light on him, and he took off the other way. What was a gun or knife going to do there except get somebody killed?

Just in general, adding a firearm in any scenario introduces the possibility that it is used, and the multitude of possible (read: mostly bad) outcomes that comes from that. Ideally, the scenarios should be limited in ways to minimize the possible bad outcomes.

 

[Higus]

What if you new for a fact your neighbor was home and was about to get a hell of a surprise ?

It takes the police a second to respond even in the best of neighborhoods and often times you will be the first line of defense in a situation .

Yea the second you walk outside you are putting yourself in danger but there are times where that is still the right move to make . People should be protective of their neighbors and their neighborhoods and there should be more legal protections in place for people in those situations.

You may save their life, but it's also possible that you accidentally shoot them or escalate the situation in ways that you can't predict. You have no way of knowing if your presence will help or hurt the situation.

 

[Fawlty]

What if you new for a fact your neighbor was home and was about to get a hell of a surprise ?

It takes the police a second to respond even in the best of neighborhoods and often times you will be the first line of defense in a situation .

Yea the second you walk outside you are putting yourself in danger but there are times where that is still the right move to make . People should be protective of their neighbors and their neighborhoods and there should be more legal protections in place for people in those situations.

That's different for sure, if you are fortunate enough to have that kind of knowledge and the time to react then you should help if you can. It would be very easy to get yourself killed, or even get one of your neighbors killed though. Way riskier situation than noticing somebody trying to gain entry to an empty house.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

I finally got to go to the National WW2 Museum today and it was absolutely incredible. Getting a yearly pass tomorrow, probably the best museum I've ever been to.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/from-collection

I also like that they didn't shy away from negative parts like the Dresden and Tokyo bombings.

Probably going to hit up the Confederate museum tomorrow, it's supposed to be really interesting.

 

[Fawlty]

Had that robber and his friend tried to attack a knife is better than nothing is it not ? I wouldnt pick a knife though because I have always been told the courts dont often find it a valid self defense weapon

I dont think parking spots are a valid reason to shoot someone but if you confront a robber and then they attack you that seems like a really cut and dried defense situation to me

I guess it depends a lot on the situation and all kinds of variables I can't predict or know to think about in the first place. But no, having a knife or gun there would have meant that any physical altercation meant death or serious injury for somebody. If I had been the one with the walking stick then my options would have increased significantly. I would gladly take a couple shots on the chin to keep from having to kill somebody who was breaking into a house. If I ever have to kill somebody it's going to fucking suck, and I would either carry it with me or find out I'm not really bothered by it, and either situation sounds bad.