War Room Lounge v57: We Sher Love Dogs

[Limbo Pete]

Say what you want about @waiguoren, he is effective at closing bets where he is a favorite. Hespect.

The dude really knows how to trawl
Now if he could just figure out a way to forgive his mother

 

[Gandhi]

I made a thread about the coming nonsensical rate decreases and no one gave a fuck really.

I need to know more about your stance before I comment

 

[sickc0d3r]

I'm in.

I have no idea how Biden is polling so well, but we did elect Trump. So we are dumb, just keep that in mind.

 

[BarryDillon]

Lemme write it up. Sig? Av? Something else?

AV sounds good. 3 months?

 

[BarryDillon]

I have no idea how Biden is polling so well, but we did elect Trump. So we are dumb, just keep that in mind.

 

[Fawlty]

AV sounds good. 3 months?

3 months? Yowsah. I was thinking 1 month. How about 60 days?

 

[Gandhi]

Empirical thought and the scientific method are far harder to implement in our day to day lives than inherited traditions I think.

It’s always easier to imitate. But I was more thinking how long it must take for a successful beneficial tradition to just happen along. It’s almost like evolution. All kinds of random BS done, and the random bs tradition that just happens to work gives one group the higher propensity to procreate than the other. Imagine how fast that speeds up when someone says, hey let’s look at the one group that did x vs the other that did not and compare. You are now at light speed compared to the first method.

I certainly appreciate how “faith” worked and think it’s pretty cool. Just not buying that it would be better over any period of time than empirical thought.

 

[BarryDillon]

3 months? Yowsah. I was thinking 1 month. How about 60 days?

Spoiler

 

[Gandhi]

I'm a liberal myself so I agree about the overall benefits in general, but I think in most times and places, the replacement wouldn't be rapid enough to save anyone. In the book referenced in that piece, Henrich brings up examples of European explorers who get lost. We're talking about well-organized units of well-trained, fit men who have been exposed to liberalism. In all cases, they either hook up with natives and are saved or starve to death (and usually resort to cannibalism on the way out the door). In one case in Australia, even after finding tools and getting instructions on food preparation, they missed a key step and died. Even the most primitive-seeming cultures have developed processes that no one could figure out on their own under the gun in one lifetime.

Yeah that makes sense. You almost have to combine the two. You can’t reject the tradition until you know what you don’t know. Testing, comparison and observation. Until then keep making that shit into paste or be toxified.

 

[Gandhi]

Just once, I would like to see a conversation around here play out like this:

Ok well can I request white only doctors then please!!!!!

####AmISherfrontingitrightlol?

 

[Gandhi]

I have to correct the record now.

The trolling was punished too.

No bitch about getting carded for flaming then.

I asked for equal enforcement and got it.

Fair game.

Still going to try and take a break from posting for 30 days.

Come back and try to be the poster i was in 2105, and 2016, where I think I showed real discipline in posting about just the issues.

It's hard because you can't be a serious poster all the time here. You have to crack some jokes, and have some fun, but then you are allowing yourself to get away from the issues I think most of us come here to discuss.

Anyways. I don't want beef with any mods, or posters. It is stupid.

For my part I am a blank slate for every new interaction. And that along with issues based posting is what I will strive to when I return.

So emo, Benoit yourself























I just keeeding

 

[Fawlty]

I'm a liberal myself so I agree about the overall benefits in general, but I think in most times and places, the replacement wouldn't be rapid enough to save anyone. In the book referenced in that piece, Henrich brings up examples of European explorers who get lost. We're talking about well-organized units of well-trained, fit men who have been exposed to liberalism. In all cases, they either hook up with natives and are saved or starve to death (and usually resort to cannibalism on the way out the door). In one case in Australia, even after finding tools and getting instructions on food preparation, they missed a key step and died. Even the most primitive-seeming cultures have developed processes that no one could figure out on their own under the gun in one lifetime.

Missed this earlier. As a big fan of epics and survival stories that seems totally spot-on. Even modern experts who go willingly into survival situations in well-researched environments with low tech methods tend to struggle big time. I would have never thought to question liberalism in that way, though. Thankfully one liberal tradition that makes up for situations like the tuber is recognizing the low opportunity cost and high social value of observing local traditions when variables are unknown. The same liberal would also probably be smart enough to filter the local water and cook the local meat all the way through, avoiding some of the intestinal culture shock, or worse.

 

[Limbo Pete]

I have no idea how Biden is polling so well, but we did elect Trump. So we are dumb, just keep that in mind.

 

[Fawlty]

Biden would be a major improvement, but I'm always down for ATHF.

 

[Islam Imamate]

It’s always easier to imitate. But I was more thinking how long it must take for a successful beneficial tradition to just happen along. It’s almost like evolution. All kinds of random BS done, and the random bs tradition that just happens to work gives one group the higher propensity to procreate than the other. Imagine how fast that speeds up when someone says, hey let’s look at the one group that did x vs the other that did not and compare. You are now at light speed compared to the first method.

I certainly appreciate how “faith” worked and think it’s pretty cool. Just not buying that it would be better over any period of time than empirical thought.

I see your point about the randomness of it. But I wonder if many traditions are intuitive behaviors that emerge in response to their specific conditions, not just random. Generated by our collective unconscious I guess you could say. Which is why some cultures independently evolve similar traditions like sun worship. Even in Islam where the doctrine is monotheism you have the prayers set relative to the position of the sun, probably not an accident. Something about premodern ways of being, lacking artificial light, tied people to the sun in a unique way that made them consider the transcendent.

Yeah that makes sense. You almost have to combine the two. You can’t reject the tradition until you know what you don’t know. Testing, comparison and observation. Until then keep making that shit into paste or be toxified.

Ideally yeah they're not mutually exclusive. I think something like the traditional Japanese tea ceremony was intuitively understood by its practitioners to encourage positive habits of mind like mindfulness and I suspect that there are many traditions like that. Even if the practitioners might start out with blind faith in the tradition they may come overtime to have a deeper understanding of its function and meaning.

 

[luckyshot]

My new favorite beverage of the last eight hours is three parts red wine, one part vodka, one part Diet Coke.

I’m thinking of calling it “Bitch on the Rag”... kind of like the opposite of “Sex on the Beach.”

 

[senri]

Yeah that makes sense. You almost have to combine the two. You can’t reject the tradition until you know what you don’t know. Testing, comparison and observation. Until then keep making that shit into paste or be toxified.

This is why you will inevitably migrate towards The Nexus Mr Gandhi. You and your wonderful family will be ascended... It is only then that you will know what you don't know....

 

[Gandhi]

I know I am late to the party but I recently finished Ozark season 2, bretty gud for the most part

Spoiler

Less liberal virtue signaling which is good but Wendy is starting to get on my nerves. More so her writing than the actress, she's great for the most part though getting a little predictable. Don't care for Dell's replacement and how they handled Maison. Maybe I am reading too much into it but the whole Maison saga seemed like a low key dump on religious people. Even the dude's wife didn't believe that he was saved by God during the robbery, as if only Maison is dumb enough to believe something like that.

Conflict between the Snells was neat though. Started to like Agent Petty more but I don't mind that they offed him, I was actually sad about it and if you told me during season 1 I'd be sad at his death I wouldn't believe you.

Oh and Charlotte's story line, while believable, is mostly annoying to me while I sort of like what they're doing with Jonah. Cade was a huge disappointment for the most part. His whole character seems like it exists to lampoon dumb redneck men.

All in all I think the strength of the series is in its casting. Even when I feel the characters are poorly written at times something about the performance of the actors and actresses sells me on them enough for me to stay invested in the show. I also really like the OST and I think the cinematography is above average though sometimes it feels they're trying to hard with it.

Great show

The money laundering part makes zero sense

I have said this before though

 

[Jack V Savage]

It’s always easier to imitate. But I was more thinking how long it must take for a successful beneficial tradition to just happen along. It’s almost like evolution. All kinds of random BS done, and the random bs tradition that just happens to work gives one group the higher propensity to procreate than the other. Imagine how fast that speeds up when someone says, hey let’s look at the one group that did x vs the other that did not and compare. You are now at light speed compared to the first method.

I certainly appreciate how “faith” worked and think it’s pretty cool. Just not buying that it would be better over any period of time than empirical thought.

Yeah, liberalism puts cultural evolution on steroids (or something that works much better than steroids). Like the difference between trying to improve your bowling technique and using this:

Missed this earlier. As a big fan of epics and survival stories that seems totally spot-on. Even modern experts who go willingly into survival situations in well-researched environments with low tech methods tend to struggle big time. I would have never thought to question liberalism in that way, though. Thankfully one liberal tradition that makes up for situations like the tuber is recognizing the low opportunity cost and high social value of observing local traditions when variables are unknown. The same liberal would also probably be smart enough to filter the local water and cook the local meat all the way through, avoiding some of the intestinal culture shock, or worse.

Yeah, but that's not enough, often. In the Australia case I'm referring to, the seeds that explorers were using to make cakes (after having been given cakes by natives) were not poisonous, but they were indigestible unless properly processed. So the explorers felt full after eating them and weren't poisoned, but they soon died of malnutrition anyway.

The book also looks at how cultural evolution has driven biological evolution (for example, our shitty digestive systems, weak jaws, and puny teeth are a result of changing tradeoffs caused by improved food processing and cooking techniques, and our impressive long-distance running abilities make no sense biologically given our inability to store enough water, except that we culturally developed ways to carry or find water).

 

[Jack V Savage]

I see your point about the randomness of it. But I wonder if many traditions are intuitive behaviors that emerge in response to their specific conditions, not just random.

I wouldn't say that they're random if there's environmental pressure to figure things out. Note, for example, how there are multiple different genetic mutations that led to light skin in places that get less sunlight. There was so much pressure on that, that it was inevitable that some mutations along those lines would lead to reproductive advantage. Probably cultural evolution is similar in that in some areas, there's extreme pressure to figure something out. Sometimes it's a race, too. Like how being able to consume milk as an adult is really beneficial. Most cultures developed cultural ways to process milk to make it digestible (like in some kinds of cheese) before people biologically evolved ways to digest it, but in some populations, the biological mutations spread first.