War Room Lounge v54: I was there for Kimura-Gracie, solid crowd

[MiniCraque]

Yeah, mindblowing. Clearly wherever they live has a distinct lack of lethal wildlife.
Reading the related stories, and it turns out that it's far from unheard of for tourists to get killed at these "safari" style parks.
Apparently they were very fortunate it was cheetahs, because other big cats would have gone straight for the kill.

Well I'm sorry ok, excuse them for not living in a barren wasteland where everything is trying to kill you.

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

This is the darkest timeline.

 

[MiniCraque]

Well isn't that entrepreneurship at its finest.

 

[Ruprecht]

Well I'm sorry ok, excuse them for not living in a barren wasteland where everything is trying to kill you.

Hey, I don't discriminate.
I've also lived in lush jungle where everything is trying to kill you.

 

[Sycho Sid]

So correct me if I am wrong: disliking a black woman = she looks like a man is the new racist dog whistle since they get banned calling them monkeys?

 

[Quipling]

Why are Sketch and HBD talking about HBD's dad?

 

[Sycho Sid]

Why are Sketch and HBD talking about HBD's dad?

To borrow the parlance of idiots, the trolls are eating each other

 

[Prokofievian]

Why are Sketch and HBD talking about HBD's dad?

In a necrobumped thread, Sketch stumbled upon an embarrassing old post of Heretic bragging about how alpha his dad is, an anecdote he used to explain some Trump remarks about women (can't remember if it was the grab em by the pussy remarks or not). Anyways, Sketch rather correctly found this hilarious and has been going hard in the paint with this, perhaps past the point where it's funny anymore.

...but at one point it was very funny.

 

[Sketch]

To borrow the parlance of idiots, the trolls are eating each other

The kid is 130 lbs there is nothing to eat. All bone.

 

[Trotsky]

That's what I was thinking. Cheetahs have a very limited arsenal as their claws are more like sprinting spikes than actually useful killing tools. Leopards would've fucked them up.

If I'm being honest, I could totally see myself doing something similar as the first bit of them getting out real close (sans fucking child of course) if I knew there weren't other cats in the area. Mostly because cheetahs are just so freaking cute and majestic. It'd be like the magic spindle in Sleeping Beauty.

 

[Prokofievian]

If I'm being honest, I could totally see myself doing something similar as the first bit of them getting out real close (sans fucking child of course) if I knew there weren't other cats in the area. Mostly because cheetahs are just so freaking cute and majestic. It'd be like the magic spindle in Sleeping Beauty.

This guy is living the fucking dream.

 

[HockeyBjj]

In a necrobumped thread, Sketch stumbled upon an embarrassing old post of Heretic bragging about how alpha his dad is, an anecdote he used to explain some Trump remarks about women (can't remember if it was the grab em by the pussy remarks or not). Anyways, Sketch rather correctly found this hilarious and has been going hard in the paint with this, perhaps past the point where it's funny anymore.

...but at one point it was very funny.

Thank you. I've been so confused in the lounge last couple pages, but it all seemed very awkward and cringe, so I didn't want to try and figure it out lest I incidentally got involved

 

[Jack V Savage]

My basic problem with "thinking, fast and slow" types of analogies to human development involving dangerous animals or danger in general is that those things never fucking happened. We always knew the lion was dangerous, with very brief exceptions for human migration (as Lewis Black more or less puts it, "they come to America, and they walk around a corner and there are different.fuck.animals! A moose. What the fuck is that?! Holy shit!"). And those exceptions occur with our instincts already in place (and we may have even migrated with them), so we never strolled over to the lion even when we migrated.

There simply wasn't a time when people were unfamiliar with their surroundings and had to learn to avoid predators as a species, and that goes back all the way to whatever the primordial shitty fuckers in the oceans or shallow ponds were doing to each other. The reason the analogy is also functionally bad is that it feeds into this idea that there was ever a time when humans or our predecessors were in some naive or pure state. That's just wrong, that's not fucking how selection for these traits took place. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

What is this referring to?

It's interesting how much of our adaptations are cultural rather than biological, and how those things interact. For example, we're great long-distance runners but we don't have a good way to biologically store water which would make that skill irrelevant--and would have prevented us from developing it--except that we culturally evolved ways to transport and/or locate water. Or look at how we deal with milk (most societies developed ways to process it to be edible for adults before genetic variations that allow for that were selected for).

If you want to criticize technology you should do so as technocracy, or the idea that the philosophy of technology (or techno-capitalism) will become an all-consuming monoculture at the expense of everything else. That's a real threat I think, and not one I really understand how to push against meaningfully.

@Jack V Savage I'd be interested to know if that concern means anything to you or not. Both books I have that sort of cover the topic are a little beyond me at the moment.

You're asking the wrong guy, probably. Just not really in me to fear that (I also don't think it's likely). What are the books?

 

[Fawlty]

What is this referring to?

It's interesting how much of our adaptations are cultural rather than biological, and how those things interact. For example, we're great long-distance runners but we don't have a good way to biologically store water which would make that skill irrelevant--and would have prevented us from developing it--except that we culturally evolved ways to transport and/or locate water. Or look at how we deal with milk (most societies developed ways to process it to be edible for adults before genetic variations that allow for that were selected for).

It's referring to the many bad but appealing analogies to human thinking, though mentioning that book was more of a landmine for Proko, as I'm talking about how we analogize rather than trying to say something is wrong with what the author says. System 1, religious superstition, and irrational human fears (and probably more things) are often explained that way. That we developed a self-preservation instinct because "if you went to investigate the sound in the bush, you would have been eaten." But that's just not how it went down at all.

We arrived as homo sapiens with basically all of the rational and irrational self-preservation instincts already in us from millions of years as evolving as primates. There never was a special, pure, naive species of man that had to begin learning about the natural world, being heavily pressured by the results of his curiosity. We developed superstitions and other behaviors that could be explained that way, but that's not how it happened.

 

[Prokofievian]

It's referring to the many bad but appealing analogies to human thinking, though mentioning that book was more of a landmine for Proko, as I'm talking about how we analogize rather than trying to say something is wrong with what the author says. System 1, religious superstition, and irrational human fears (and probably more things) are often explained that way. That we developed a self-preservation instinct because "if you went to investigate the sound in the bush, you would have been eaten." But that's just not how it went down at all.

We arrived as homo sapiens with basically all of the rational and irrational self-preservation instincts already in us from millions of years as evolving as primates. There never was a special, pure, naive species of man that had to begin learning about the natural world, being heavily pressured by the results of his curiosity. We developed superstitions and other behaviors that could be explained that way, but that's not how it happened.

Whose claims is this in reference to?

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

^ I meant to ask the same. I've heard criticisms of two-factor theories for being oversimplified, but not on those grounds

 

[Jack V Savage]

It's referring to the many bad but appealing analogies to human thinking, though mentioning that book was more of a landmine for Proko, as I'm talking about how we analogize rather than trying to say something is wrong with what the author says. System 1, religious superstition, and irrational human fears (and probably more things) are often explained that way. That we developed a self-preservation instinct because "if you went to investigate the sound in the bush, you would have been eaten." But that's just not how it went down at all.

We arrived as homo sapiens with basically all of the rational and irrational self-preservation instincts already in us from millions of years as evolving as primates. There never was a special, pure, naive species of man that had to begin learning about the natural world, being heavily pressured by the results of his curiosity. We developed superstitions and other behaviors that could be explained that way, but that's not how it happened.

I'm not sure what difference that would make to the claim that we kind of have an autopilot mode and a thinking-hard mode. Also, I'd be surprised if Proko (or Kahneman) disagreed that earlier primates had similar self-preservation instincts.

 

[Fawlty]

It's interesting how much of our adaptations are cultural rather than biological, and how those things interact. For example, we're great long-distance runners but we don't have a good way to biologically store water which would make that skill irrelevant--and would have prevented us from developing it--except that we culturally evolved ways to transport and/or locate water. Or look at how we deal with milk (most societies developed ways to process it to be edible for adults before genetic variations that allow for that were selected for).

I think if we were transported back to watch, only anthropology fans wouldn't be bored to tears after an hour. It would just be a surprisingly human group of ugly curmudgeons who don't do much.

The milk thing pretty neat. I think a good question to ask is what specific abilities or group behaviors led us off the slow curve where harsher, gene-based selection dominates.

 

[Fawlty]

I'm not sure what difference that would make to the claim that we kind of have an autopilot mode and a thinking-hard mode. Also, I'd be surprised if Proko (or Kahneman) disagreed that earlier primates had similar self-preservation instincts.

That's why I said it's not aimed at the book or its claims, but popular analogies. Don't worry about it.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

I was here on Sherdog for highlight .avi files in the late 1990s. Also was aware of the Gracies at least by 2001 (aged 16/17). Still did not watch regularly until 2008 something. Brocktober helped.

I'm youngish so I didn't get the VHS era but I was also into avi files I downloaded in the 00s. I downloaded a few with Sherdog watermark although I don't think I downloaded them from Sherdog itself, I downloaded some full fights from Kazaa/Limewire, some of these were old but I didn't really care about it I just wanted to see them bang bro. The classic ones were Belfort vs Wanderlei, a highlight of Sakuraba vs Gracie and Fedor crushing cans like Zuluzinho.
I then started BJJ in 2005 but I'm Brazilian and it's pretty common here it didn't have that much to do with MMA itself but all the guys there talked about it all the time and with faster internet I started to watch more and more fights, you could find many full fights in the early days of youtube and some illegal streaming sites too.
Then I got "Canal Combate" for something like 3USD a month(in addition to the cable fare), it's the official Brazilian UFC cable, we don't pay for PPVs, we just pay that one channel and they broadcast all the PPVs and have shows about 24/7 MMA/Boxing/BJJ content.

I don't know if I prefer tits or ass.

So apparently telling for brown women to go back where they came from is not considered racist these days.

Learn something new every day.

The bizarre thing is that only 2 of the 4 are actually from abroad even considering their parents. AOC is Puerto Rican and Pressley is descended from American slaves I think.