War Room Lounge v53: Short Notice

[Trotsky]

@HereticBD were you an mma fan of both during those years? Because man, it was common knowledge that Pride HWs were vastly superior to UFCs at that time. If you compare Tim Sylvia and the top 10 UFC HWs with Fedor and the top 10 PRIDE HWs it's night and day. Like amateurs to pros. Same can be said about LHW too but to a lesser extent than HW.

I think people forget just how talent starved the UFC HW division had become pre-merger. Like....it was after TUF and heavyweight title challengers were Paul Buentello, Tre Telligman, Assuerio Silva, and Justin Eilers...

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Any movie about the barren wasteland caused by a shortage of oil that features a non stop one directional never ending car chase scene, has by definition jumped the cred shark so hard, that I would not view it any way else. Glorified music video.

Actually, the chase reverses, so its bi-directional. Its nonsensical for sure, but it is simultaneously spectacular.
It is a movie I love, but not one I would ever recommend.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Me irl

HBO has a 2-part documentary on your AV

 

[Trotsky]

Actually, the chase reverses, so its bi-directional. Its nonsensical for sure, but it is simultaneously spectacular.
It is a movie I love, but not one I would ever recommend.

I haven't seen it, but every time I see a gif like that I think "man, those people would smell really bad." Same thing I always think when, in movies, people wake up in the morning after a night of sex and start talking to each other face-to-face. I think "man, they have morning breath and they would not be comfortable enough with each other to be breathing fire into each other's nostrils."

 

[Anung Un Rama]

On topic of bans, who here has never had yellows even once?

Is there anyone?

My first account was banned within 1 month, that was almost 10 years ago.
I think I've had yellows 2x on this one, but none for over 5 years.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I haven't seen it, but every time I see a gif like that I think "man, those people would smell really bad." Same thing I always think when, in movies, people wake up in the morning after a night of sex and start talking to each other face-to-face. I think "man, they have morning breath and they would not be comfortable enough with each other to be breathing fire into each other's nostrils."

I think of that everytime I watch westerns. The stench must have been staggering.

 

[Trotsky]

I think of that everytime I watch westerns. The stench must have been staggering.

Haha, I specifically think of the opening scene in Once Upon a Time in the West, where they're all sweating and fanning themselves but they're also all in leather pants and coats.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

You never defined "phenoms", so it seems like you're just hand waving and moving the posts. Same with "not really a Pride guy".
Would you really say that the UFC had a better talent pool at HW when it was Sylvia, Mir, Kerr (more success in UFC than Pride), Arlovski and Monson (also one fight in Pride), compared to Fedor, Crocop, Nog, Hunt, Coleman, Schilt, Barnett, Kharitonov, Vovchanchyn, Kerr, Randleman, Alex Emelianenko and Werdum (if you extend the peak a couple of years)? That seems ridiculous just looking at the careers and achievements.
Crocop's decline from his kickboxing days was clear, even though he was one of the best transitions to MMA.
Just look from his win against Hunt in K1 to his loss in Pride (not the fact that he lost, but the performance). After that his wins were against Sanchez, Minowa, Yoshida, Wandy and Barnett. Only Barnett would be upper tier (discounting Wandy for fighting above his weight).

I'm not following the discussion but that's why I liked pride when I was 10 and I think it's crap in retrospect. Good LHW and HW talent, yes, but they wasted it on can crushing fights.
God, not only can crushing fights but evil, disgusting beatings of undersized guys. Roided 220lbs wand vs Sakuraba being the worst. They basically ruined that guy's life with CTE.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Let's not forget Shogun lost his most powerful weapons (his legs) after multiple surgeries.

and that cost him his cardio, plus no stomps

 

[Ruprecht]

I'm not following the discussion but that's why I liked pride when I was 10 and I think it's crap in retrospect. Good LHW and HW talent, yes, but they wasted it on can crushing fights.
God, not only can crushing fights but evil, disgusting beatings of undersized guys. Roided 220lbs wand vs Sakuraba being the worst. They basically ruined that guy's life with CTE.

I liked the presentation, rule set, talent and tournament format over the UFC at the time. The "battle of styles" concept seems dated now, but that, the ring and the Japanese crowd just appealed to me a lot more than the UFC's nu-metal, just-bleed-bro, cage fighting style of promoting, and it's comparatively heavy emphasis on wrestling.
I certainly don't think Pride's crap in retrospect, aside from the ways in which the sport has developed an awful lot since then.
That said I watched the first UFCs, but didn't go back to them for some time after they introduced the weight limits.
I've now seen every UFC main card and most of the undercards. Every Pride. Every K1. Affliction. A couple of TUF series. Most K1 max, most Showtime Kickboxing and Bellator and a bunch of Strikeforce, WEC, Cage Rage, King of the Cage, Rings, Dream, M1 and One FC. Not to mention a bunch of local shows. Despite all that I still love Pride.
The can crushing and freak shows (including the David vs Goliath matchups etc) were the low point of course.

 

[MiniCraque]

I was legitimately in high school when I first saw UFC 2 and 3, whenever they hit Blockbuster. I want to say it was 1994 but maybe 95. The black market for UFC tapes was real tbh, it gave the liars plausible deniability. I started training with friends from theater, trying to figure out how to do the moves, but nobody could tap anybody out lol. I was the karate kid, and my friends knew wrestling and capoeira. We stopped after the school year though, and nobody in the area had a bjj or nhb school. Only got back into it after a long break, like 2002.

Oh I know the tapes passed around a lot and a ton of people were aware of guys like Royce and Shammy, what was always dubious was the amount of people who not only watched the early editions soon after they came out but also followed the sport regularly since then.

Like give me a break dude, there were like 10 people who followed the UFC back when guys like Rizzo, Tito and Couture first appeared in the scene.

 

[Limbo Pete]

I liked the presentation, rule set, talent and tournament format over the UFC at the time. The "battle of styles" concept seems dated now, but that, the ring and the Japanese crowd just appealed to me a lot more than the UFC's nu-metal, just-bleed-bro, cage fighting style of promoting, and it's comparatively heavy emphasis on wrestling.
I certainly don't think Pride's crap in retrospect, aside from the ways in which the sport has developed an awful lot since then.
That said I watched the first UFCs, but didn't go back to them for some time after they introduced the weight limits.
I've now seen every UFC main card and most of the undercards. Every Pride. Every K1. Affliction. A couple of TUF series. Most K1 max, most Showtime Kickboxing and Bellator and a bunch of Strikeforce, WEC, Cage Rage, King of the Cage, Rings, Dream, M1 and One FC. Not to mention a bunch of local shows. Despite all that I still love Pride.
The can crushing and freak shows (including the David vs Goliath matchups etc) were the low point of course.

I've always loved me a good freakshow matchup, although that did and does have limits (Like watching Gabi Garcia beat up some old grandma).

 

[JDragon]

I got a couple. Pretty sure they were all "fighter bashing" related. Lot of "Pride" nuthugging mods in here.

Oh', and I got an absurd dub for claiming "People will die" in one of the GOT threads. Apparently that was spoiler territory. They did NOT fuck around in those threads.

I had dubs once for calling Overeem 'Roidereem'. Mod reversed his call.

 

[Ruprecht]

I've always loved me a good freakshow matchup, although that did and does have limits (Like watching Gabi Garcia beat up some old grandma).

I came from a TMA background and never like prowrestling, although I was a massive Streetfighter (the game) fan as a teen (and there was certainly an element of that in Pride's presentation). Hence why I liked the "Battle of Styles" idea.
Anything prowrestling, the freakshows and pro-Japan judging always pissed me off. It even took me some time to come around on Sakuraba. Although I didn't mind the Crocop-Wandy fight or Hunt-Wandy fight.

 

[Trotsky]

I've always loved me a good freakshow matchup, although that did and does have limits (Like watching Gabi Garcia beat up some old grandma).

Strangely, it feels like I don't remember there being all that many/any real brutally late stoppages in Pride. Like Cyborg bludgeoning that blonde girl in EliteXC or Carwin pounding an unconscious Mir or Kongo breaking Al-Turk's face.

 

[MiniCraque]

Strangely, it feels like I don't remember there being all that many/any real brutally late stoppages in Pride. Like Cyborg bludgeoning that blonde girl in EliteXC or Carwin pounding an unconscious Mir or Kongo breaking Al-Turk's face.

Randleman x Cro Cop was pretty bad.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Strangely, it feels like I don't remember there being all that many/any real brutally late stoppages in Pride. Like Cyborg bludgeoning that blonde girl in EliteXC or Carwin pounding an unconscious Mir or Kongo breaking Al-Turk's face.

Oh gawd, Cyborg-Finney.

 

[MiniCraque]

I liked the presentation, rule set, talent and tournament format over the UFC at the time. The "battle of styles" concept seems dated now, but that, the ring and the Japanese crowd just appealed to me a lot more than the UFC's nu-metal, just-bleed-bro, cage fighting style of promoting, and it's comparatively heavy emphasis on wrestling.
I certainly don't think Pride's crap in retrospect, aside from the ways in which the sport has developed an awful lot since then.
That said I watched the first UFCs, but didn't go back to them for some time after they introduced the weight limits.
I've now seen every UFC main card and most of the undercards. Every Pride. Every K1. Affliction. A couple of TUF series. Most K1 max, most Showtime Kickboxing and Bellator and a bunch of Strikeforce, WEC, Cage Rage, King of the Cage, Rings, Dream, M1 and One FC. Not to mention a bunch of local shows. Despite all that I still love Pride.
The can crushing and freak shows (including the David vs Goliath matchups etc) were the low point of course.

This.



The UFC should be praised for a lot of the things they introduced to the sport but anyone who thinks they ever came close to putting something as spectacular as this should suck a dick.

 

[MiniCraque]

@Trotsky

I think this was the worst in Pride history.

 

[Ruprecht]

This.



The UFC should be praised for a lot of the things they introduced to the sport but anyone who thinks they ever came close to putting something as spectacular as this should suck a dick.

Yeah, even now I skip the UFC's prefight promotions, walkouts and usually skip the post fight interviews (unless there's an injury or controversial situation I want to hear a comment on).
I enjoyed the whole thing with Pride.

 

[MiniCraque]

Ignore the cringey choir in the beginning and think to yourself: did the UFC ever had a Japanese sweaty announcer, in a thong, pounding a giant drum?