War Room Lounge V45: War! Crimes! Pardon Y'all...

[Prokofievian]

I can't say to what extent the roots of religion have explanatory power (frankly, I don't think religion is really that much of a factor tbh), but the self-validation complex that exists on the right is something to reckon with and behold: that a position is inherently honest and meritorious by mere fact that they or someone like them holds it.

Also, I actually take some issue with the statement "Evangelicals are particularly dishonest" because it's a spurious statement that implies a relationship between being Evangelical and being dishonest, when, in reality, it's a matter of Evangelicals being concentrated in rural and Southern communities and both of those communities being driven by racism, xenophobia, and a completely distorted view of political reality.

Religion per se? No. But he also specified evangelism and I think there's more of a point to be made there. Evangelism requires the maintenance of a much larger breach with the truth than say, cultural catholicism would. Like, catholics have to believe the pope stuff but otherwise it's just a guiding principle for their lives. American evangelism has all kinds of poison drinking, snake handling, faith healing, prosperity doctrine non-sense interwoven in its fabric.

 

[Jack V Savage]

No offense was taken. Iirc, I mentioned it only to show that you have an ugly habit of demonizing opponents categorically.

You realize that that's not true, though. It's just a kind of dig you take because you were offended.

 

[Amerikuracana]

I think the statement is clearly true, and I do think that that religion in general (and Evangelicism in particular) inspire it. It's a competing (with reason) way of forming beliefs, and it requires discipline that most don't have to restrict it to the religious realm.



Everyone that gets a response or remembered is a stalker. I think the MSM is camped out outside your house, buddy. Better close the blinds.



Yes, he was "found innocent" of something that no one actually claimed, but the reporting was proved substantially correct, and there was more that hadn't been identified.



Yeah, this is the kind of refusal to accept reality that I was talking about, along with a nice helping of dishonest deflection.

No its being honest. You're the wrong one here, obviously. So you think those emails didn't reveal obvious collusion to rig an election? You're lying or delusional. The dems colluded with corporate news to get Bernie out, we KNOW this. That is what people "resisted."

And nobody said Trump was in bed with Russian intelligence? Ok. You can't be honest because your completely one sided politithought.

 

[senri]

You realize that that's not true, though. It's just a kind of dig you take because you were offended.

There you go.... Penetrate, go as deep as you can Mr. Savage...

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

You realize that that's not true, though. It's just a kind of dig you take because you were offended.

What isn't true? That I wasn't offended? Lol. Ok, you got me Jack. I was positively enraged.

 

[Trotsky]

I think the statement is clearly true, and I do think that that religion in general (and Evangelicism in particular) inspire it. It's a competing (with reason) way of forming beliefs, and it requires discipline that most don't have to restrict it to the religious realm.

The term "Evangelicism" isn't really coherent, though. Evangelicals encompass a broad range of protestant denominations and were once considered home to the most liberal and reformist Christian faiths in the country. Anymore, most commentary on Evangelicals is just referring to protestants generally, which range from Lutherans (a short hop from Catholicism) to Methodists (who are more theologically liberal than either Catholics or Lutherans) (both of these further comprising mainline Protestantism but sometimes categorized as Evangelical) to Southern Baptists (the most politically conservative denomination)(distinctly considered evangelical) to Presbyterians (which exist between the two). The core concept of the Evangelical faith - active salvation - is not imo relevant to the phenomenon of Evangelical conservatives or the infusion of conservative politics into religious organization in the South.

 

[Trotsky]

Have you been to Bolivia?

Nope

But I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night

 

[senri]

Nope

But I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night

What did you do at the inn Mr. Trotsky?

 

[Sycho Sid]

What did you do at the inn Mr. Trotsky?

How are you senri? Have you fully matured today?

 

[Jack V Savage]

No its being honest. You re the wrong one here, obviously. So you think those emails didn't reveal obvious collusion to rig an election?

No, of course not.

You're lying or delusional. The dems colluded with corporate news to get Bernie out, we KNOW this. That is what people "resisted."

Wait, you just mean that a campaign tried to conduct PR? Yeah, that happened, but there's nothing improper about it.

And nobody said Trump was on nes bed with Russian intelligence? Ok. You can't be honest because your completely one sided politithought.

Well, "in bed with" is vague (you earlier mentioned the KGB--lol). We know for a fact that Russia was illegally helping him and requesting meetings with the campaign about that, that they lied about those contacts, and that they did meet at least once and shared sensitive information. That was all known before the investigation concluded and was confirmed in the investigation.

 

[Jack V Savage]

The term "Evangelicism" isn't really coherent, though. Evangelicals encompass a broad range of protestant denominations and were once considered home to the most liberal and reformist Christian faiths in the country. Anymore, most commentary on Evangelicals is just referring to protestants generally, which range from Lutherans (a short hop from Catholicism) to Methodists (who are more theologically liberal than either Catholics or Lutherans) (both of these further comprising mainline Protestantism but sometimes categorized as Evangelical) to Southern Baptists (the most politically conservative denomination)(distinctly considered evangelical) to Presbyterians (which exist between the two). The core concept of the Evangelical faith - active salvation - is not imo relevant to the phenomenon of Evangelical conservatives or the infusion of conservative politics into religious organization in the South.

OK. You know what I mean, but granted that the language was unclear.

 

[senri]

How are you senri? Have you fully matured today?

I'm doing great Mr. Sid. My body has matured before you even existed. Almost nothing in this world is greater than the witnessing of the blossoming flesh.... It is a privilege to guide such a development...

 

[Fawlty]

Requests for v46?

 

[BarryDillon]

Requests for v46?

Favorite movie monster: Godzilla, King Kong, Rodan, etc.

 

[Sketch]

Requests for v46?

How aware people are of their surroundings, based on what race they are around.

 

[all caps]

How aware people are of their surroundings, based on what race they are around.

I can confirm that lately, I've been much more aware. Around certain races.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

The term "Evangelicism" isn't really coherent, though. Evangelicals encompass a broad range of protestant denominations and were once considered home to the most liberal and reformist Christian faiths in the country. Anymore, most commentary on Evangelicals is just referring to protestants generally, which range from Lutherans (a short hop from Catholicism) to Methodists (who are more theologically liberal than either Catholics or Lutherans) (both of these further comprising mainline Protestantism but sometimes categorized as Evangelical) to Southern Baptists (the most politically conservative denomination)(distinctly considered evangelical) to Presbyterians (which exist between the two). The core concept of the Evangelical faith - active salvation - is not imo relevant to the phenomenon of Evangelical conservatives or the infusion of conservative politics into religious organization in the South.

I tend to agree with your take here. I generally consider evangelical to mean any American protestant who does not follow liberal theology (as distinct from liberal politics).

 

[Falsedawn]

Requests for v46?

Old internet videos

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

 

[Trotsky]

I tend to agree with your take here. I generally consider evangelical to mean any American protestant who does not follow liberal theology (as distinct from liberal politics).

Rhetorically, it often seems to refer to fundamentalists and charismatics, who, to be fair to posters like JVS, are usually fucking morons. As we have seen here on this very board, there is no fundamentalist who can reconcile their biblical interpretations just with themselves, let alone with the liberal constructs of science and reason, and charismatics just completely tie up their spirituality with delusions of their own virtue and destiny rather than any theological underpinnings. The latter are also habitually scammed by con artists.

As far as the Southern Baptist churches and pastors that explicitly inject politics into their religion (see Robert Jeffress, who called the 19% of non-Trump-voter evangelicals morons; Robert Henderson who told his followers that Trump was chosen by God; or this guy who told his congregation that they need to pray for Trump to shield him from the witchcraft of his enemies)....I just don't know. The anxieties and intellectual laziness that sometimes correlates with religiosity got intermixed with the anxieties and intellectual laziness that feeds into racism and political paranoia....and just turned Southern Baptist organization into something truly grotesque.