War Room Lounge V44: Backup Whores, or Back Up, Whores?

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Also, you might think the presents would be great as a kid with both Christmas and Chanukah. But no. My birthday is December 29th and I’d alway wind up with like one decent gift for all three lmao. Socks for the other days of Chanukah.

Of course, nowadays I’d plotz if somebody was kind enough to buy me socks.
 
Maybe the MLB Hall voters have adopted a "no pieces of shit" policy and that's why Schilling, Pete Rose, and Barry Bonds aren't in.
Schilling seems like a bit of an asshole (or a moron) but isn't his baseball record clean?
 
can you take an IV?
I doubt it
Hmmm I gotta agree with @Trotsky

Y’know a Jewish fast is 24 hours... just saying. And no we don’t do that for a month straight lmao!
One 24 hour fast sounds rough but I think that would be easier than the whole month of Ramadan. Like I said the first day of Ramadan is not that hard and while adding 9 hours to it would make it tougher you could just sleep those hours off and it being one time makes it very doable. But I guess the grass is always greener on the other side.
 
I doubt it

One 24 hour fast sounds rough but I think that would be easier than the whole month of Ramadan. Like I said the first day of Ramadan is not that hard and while adding 9 hours to it would make it tougher you could just sleep those hours off and it being one time makes it very doable.

Do you do sun-up-to-sun-down where you are, or do you use the Mecca clock?
 
Sun up to sun down.

I had some friends who were doing Ramadan in Edmonton back when it was in Sept-October, so, one of the easiest ramadans ever. They used the clock in Mecca instead, which I thought was pretty gangster. Giving up an additional 5 or 6 hours of eating time.
 
My mom’s side is Jewish. I’m not religious, but I was raised in both Jewish and Catholic households. The guilt is just... divine.


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Always made me wonder what the holiday supper table is like when like say a Jew marries a Palestinian, or a Croat and a Serb, etc. You probably don't have it half as bad.
 
@Jack V Savage how is Curt Schilling not in the HOF?

I was listening to a brutal old Opie and Anthony segment where they spent 45 minutes making fun of his liquidation after his video game company went under, and I got to reading about him. Surprised he's not in already.

His old-school stats (wins and ERA) don't look HOFy enough for a lot of the geezer voters, plus being a massive asshole doesn't help. Based on advanced stats, he's almost exactly average for a HOFer (and obviously much better than many guys who are in). I think he's a lock to eventually make it.
 
His old-school stats (wins and ERA) don't look HOFy enough for a lot of the geezer voters, plus being a massive asshole doesn't help. Based on advanced stats, he's almost exactly average for a HOFer (and obviously much better than many guys who are in). I think he's a lock to eventually make it.

Is there an HOF ''drift'' happening in baseball? Like, a slow erosion of norms to get in? Or is the statistical record of baseball robust enough to keep the normies out?

Recently there have been some 0 individual award winning, 0 first team all star team appearing players inducted into the Hockey hall of fame.
 
Fuck Arnie is a legend.

Over 70 years old and some shithead has to resort to a cheapshot which had virtually no effect because in a straight square up senior citizen Arnold would kick that shithead's ass.
 
Is there an HOF ''drift'' happening in baseball? Like, a slow erosion of norms to get in? Or is the statistical record of baseball robust enough to keep the normies out?

Recently there have been some 0 individual award winning, 0 first team all star team appearing players inducted into the Hockey hall of fame.

It feels like it's gotten kind of politicized, and there have been some really bad selections as a result of that (Rice, Morris, Smith, Baines). Guys were selected as a "fuck you" to the heavy analytics crowd. Also, I think Tim Raines took much longer to get in because of backlash against that same crowd. On the flip side, there was a modern-stat-driven campaign for Bert Blyleven that was successful. It's actually an interesting dynamic because it's very similar to what you see in politics, but it has nothing to do with governing ideology or politics (for example, Schilling is a far-right loon but it's the analytics guys who are championing his case against the baseball equivalent of the right).

Maybe the MLB Hall voters have adopted a "no pieces of shit" policy and that's why Schilling, Pete Rose, and Barry Bonds aren't in.

Rose broke the most important rule in baseball--the only one posted on clubhouse walls and that players are briefed on when they make it to the majors and twice during every season. If you bet on a game in which you have a duty to participate, you get a lifetime ban. Nothing to do with him being an asshole, and he has no argument for being in the Hall after that.

Bonds didn't break any rules (that existed at the time) and is one of the greatest players ever. Disgrace that he's not in.

Schilling had only 216 career wins and a 3.46 career ERA. Even though we know that the relatively high ERA was because he played in an extremely high-offense era, and he was 27% better than average for his career, which is HOF-caliber (not to mention many other stats that show him to have a strong case), it's a hard sell to some old voters who don't even understand the concept of park adjustments and don't like the implication (or outright accusations) that they're morons for not ditching the stats that they use to understand the game. Again, a lot of the voters are like the idiots here who say, "this is how you get Trump" or something whenever they hear someone making good arguments that they don't understand.
 
It feels like it's gotten kind of politicized, and there have been some really bad selections as a result of that (Rice, Morris, Smith, Baines). Guys were selected as a "fuck you" to the heavy analytics crowd. Also, I think Tim Raines took much longer to get in because of backlash against that same crowd. On the flip side, there was a modern-stat-driven campaign for Bert Blyleven that was successful. It's actually an interesting dynamic because it's very similar to what you see in politics, but it has nothing to do with governing ideology or politics (for example, Schilling is a far-right loon but it's the analytics guys who are championing his case against the baseball equivalent of the right).



Rose broke the most important rule in baseball--the only one posted on clubhouse walls and that players are briefed on when they make it to the majors and twice during every season. If you bet on a game in which you have a duty to participate, you get a lifetime ban. Nothing to do with him being an asshole, and he has no argument for being in the Hall after that.

Bonds didn't break any rules (that existed at the time) and is one of the greatest players ever. Disgrace that he's not in.

Schilling had only 216 career wins and a 3.46 career ERA. Even though we know that the relatively high ERA was because he played in an extremely high-offense era, and he was 27% better than average for his career, which is HOF-caliber (not to mention many other stats that show him to have a strong case), it's a hard sell to some old voters who don't even understand the concept of park adjustments and don't like the implication (or outright accusations) that they're morons for not ditching the stats that they use to understand the game. Again, a lot of the voters are like the idiots here who say, "this is how you get Trump" or something whenever they hear someone making good arguments that they don't understand.

We need to get Dick Allen in
 
We need to get Dick Allen in

I'm not totally sold. He had a HOF peak, but not much else. No HOFs since 1960 played in as few games as him, and not many were even close (even Jim Rice played 300-plus more games than he did). Going by Jay Jaffe's JAWS (which balances out peak and longevity), he comes up short. But it wouldn't be an outrage, like Rice (even with those extra 300 games, Allen has a higher career WAR and obviously was much better at his best). I could go either way.

The next big campaign should be for Lou Whitaker. Bobby Grich would be a fun one (clearly a HOF by advanced metrics but never considered to be that caliber player in his own time and never taken seriously by voters).
 
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I'm not totally sold. He had a HOF peak, but not much else. No HOFs since 1960 played in as few games as him, and not many were even close (even Jim Rice played 300-plus more games than he did). Going by Jay Jaffe's JAWS (which balances out peak and longevity), he comes up short. But it wouldn't be an outrage, like Rice (even with those extra 300 games, Allen has a higher career WAR and obviously was much better at his best). I could go either way.

The next big campaign should be for Lou Whitaker.


I'm a big OPS+ guy and he has great company

And he did play 15 seasons leading the league in OPS 4 times and OPS+ 3 times

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I'm a big OPS+ guy and he has great company

And he did play 15 seasons leading the league in OPS 4 times and OPS+ 3 times

Yeah, but that's a rate stat. No question that Allen was one of the greatest hitters ever (though a longer decline period would have pulled his OPS+ down). That's the positive on his record. But he was a bad defender with a short career--not just years but games as he missed a lot of time in some of those years (plus he had a lot of baggage, though I've seen the case made that he gets a bad rap there).

Good clip of his swing in this:

 
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