War Room Lounge V43: STEM is Overrated

[BarryDillon]

I'm just speculating, geez.



It's like Andre the Giant in a rowboat.

 

[BarryDillon]

Why does the DNC have to "be fair" to an Independent who is trying to take over the party and change its core values?

I reject your hypothesis entirely.

 

[BarryDillon]

See, I want to like her and can appreciate most of that Twitter sentiment, but at no point does she address her tarpaulin-like prepuce and its resemblance to ET's blanket.

 

[BarryDillon]

I think the whole underlying basis that the DNC is a "center-right" organization that hates Bernie because he's a True Progressive or a threat to capital is wrong. I do believe that they wanted him to get out once it was clear that he couldn't win because they thought it would hurt Clinton in the general, though. And I'd expect that that would be their angle at all times (wanting the nominee--whomever it is--to win the general election).

I disagree vehemently. And, I challenge you to a duel.

 

[all caps]

Suck it, losers! I'm pretty sure Tulsi's popularity around here is not about secretly hating mooslims and loving the racisms. Well, not JUST about those things.

I'd say the common War Room poster tends to kind of hate your average politician. She breaks the mold a little and checks a lot of the boxes for left leaning posters around here (and I guess some righties like that she's military and once said "Muslim extremists", but they're abandoning her as they learn her position on gun laws). Anyway, she's not wonky enough for me at this point which is why I prefer Warren, but she's got time. At least she's talking about issues that I personally care about.

She pretends to be anti interventionist enough for me to pretend like I'm going to vote for her. And shes hot. I couldnt tell you anything else about her and I dont care to find out. Just being honest.

 

[luckyshot]

Could be, but that feels different. I think Kant's thing is well inside the boundaries of the first thing. Taken one way, that quote defines an irony of using scientific tools and methods (objectivity springing forth from its unknowing self).

Isn't Kant playing more with the irony that the journey is the true destination? Reminds me of how many practical things come out of the space program. We have to expand our thinking and tools, to do lots of science to get to the science.

What do you think?

I think Kant was dead serious that the actual world— Ding an sich— is radically unknowable. We can infer the existence of the world only as far as the categories of our perception are oriented towards it. For example, we cannot conceive of being without being in time. The same goes for space. These are the categorical limitations of thought (along with causality and logic). So, the world must be capable of containing those categories. But all that we can “know” about the world is inferred second hand through these categories. And ultimately, when we are describing “it” we are only ever describing them. The true world is beyond them, though. For example, Kant said it was equally illogical for the world to have a beginning and for the world to be eternal. The world in itself is simple beyond the categories of our minds.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Why does the DNC have to "be fair" to an Independent who is trying to take over the party and change its core values?

They certainly want to appear fair because otherwise it would be a terrible look for them. But I get the point and said as much before

And I will go as far as to say I even understand why the DNC felt the way that it did because Clinton was a Democrat superstar with a long history in the party while Bernie was a lifelong independent using the party's primary because he knew it gave him the best shot at winning.

 

[sickc0d3r]

She pretends to be anti interventionist enough for me to pretend like I'm going to vote for her. And shes hot. I couldnt tell you anything else about her and I dont care to find out. Just being honest.

I get it, hard to disagree with the approach. The very least my politician employees can do is tell me the right lies and sound sincere so I feel good about myself.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I get it, hard to disagree with the approach. The very least my politician employees can do is tell me the right lies and sound sincere so I feel good about myself.

The way I see it, everyone's reach exceeds their grasp, even people that you think aren't reaching far enough. So the question that matters isn't "what do you want?"; it's "what can you get?" I don't think that someone with no experience who isn't very intelligent and seems both ethically questionable and naive is the person to move the ball forward. Tried to explain that to @ultramanhyata, but it seems hopeless.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Is there any taxation method that is more of a slap in the face to the working middle class than raising gas taxes?

Illinois is set to raise the gas tax 24 cents per gallon. My freaking county is propositioning to the state to allow them to add their own gas tax on top of that.

My 35 minute commute so that I don't actually live in a city where there's a shooting every night is gonna sting a lot more.

Also part of the gas tax bill from such a liberal "go green energy!" state, a $1,000 per year fee to drive an electric car. Lol. Saving the environment doesn't mean they don't get to tax you to hell and back still.

 

[sickc0d3r]

The way I see it, everyone's reach exceeds their grasp, even people that you think aren't reaching far enough. So the question that matters isn't "what do you want?"; it's "what can you get?" I don't think that someone with no experience who isn't very intelligent and seems both ethically questionable and naive is the person to move the ball forward. Tried to explain that to @ultramanhyata, but it seems hopeless.

I'm ok with an incremental approach in the right direction, and I'll vote for any ole candidate off the street versus Trump. Realistically, though, virtually nothing on any democrat's agenda will be passed without a supermajority because democrat. Suddenly the debt ceiling will become our number one issue and states will be trying to secede again.

What I like about the super intelligent and charismatic Tulsi is she's better at messaging than most dems (plenty of platitudes maybe, but still, I think the dems need a coherent message). Which leads me to believe she'd generate enough support to dump Trump, in the hypothetical world where she actually makes it out of the primaries. Once in office I feel like she'd do pretty much as well as anyone who's attempting to serve honorably in the position. Probably hard to tell, but I'm not big on overthinking these things

 

[Jack V Savage]

Is there any taxation method that is more of a slap in the face to the working middle class than raising gas taxes?

Income taxes and payroll taxes. I think gas taxes should be much higher. Would you take a roughly revenue-neutral swap? And BTW, I don't think income tax should be cut the GOP way, which is to slash the top rate and throw a bone to others (note that the median American barely pays income tax anyway). Top rates should be raised, but we should raise the standard deduction. Cutting payrolls taxes might be better still.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Income taxes and payroll taxes.

Aren't payroll taxes just things like Medicare and Social Security? Two things touted by the left as highly successful socialist type policies that mesh just fine with American system as a whole?

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Lol

 

[Jack V Savage]

Aren't payroll taxes just things like Medicare and Social Security? Two things touted by the left as highly successful socialist type policies that mesh just fine with American system as a whole?

Those fund Medicare and SS (which are, indeed, great programs) but we can always fund them with better taxes instead.

 

[Sketch]

Why does the DNC have to "be fair" to an Independent who is trying to take over the party and change its core values?

Because he might be the only chance you’ve got.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Tried to explain that to @ultramanhyata, but it seems hopeless.

No, Jack. I completely understand convenient double standards. I just don't think those who adopt them have much integrity.

One could reasonably argue that both Gabbard and Buttigieg lack the experience and qualifications at this point in their political lives to be viable, trustworthy POTUS candidates. (If I were forced to pick the candidate who was closer to having a sufficient resume I would give Gabbard the edge. Given that she actually has accrued some direct, experiential knowledge about how the sausage gets made in DC.)

You immediately wrote Tulsi off when she initially announced on the basis of her slim qualifications. (This was fair.) Unfortunately, you now claim Mayor Pete as your number two pick for the democratic nomination. You're certainly entitled to hold this obvious double standard. But it is what it is.

 

[Jack V Savage]

No, Jack. I completely understand convenient double standards. I just don't think those who adopt them have much integrity.

I don't have any double standards, though.

One could reasonably argue that both Gabbard and Buttigieg lack the experience and qualifications at this point in their political lives to be viable, trustworthy POTUS candidates.

Yes, or one could, more plausibly, argue that Buttigieg's resume is far, far better, and does clear the minimum bar.

You immediately wrote Tulsi off when she initially announced on the basis of her slim qualifications. (This was fair.) Unfortunately, you now claim Mayor Pete as your number two pick for the democratic nomination. You're certainly entitled to hold this obvious double standard. But it is what it is.

Your problem is that you're discounting education and private-sector experience completely, which is not reasonable.

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

I've made enough meticulously sourced threads that were met with "lol" to know better.

It doesn't help that my true points of expertise might as well be magic to some people. Technology is the great divider.

I find the responses to my threads are either completely dismissable or too hard to respond to spontaneously.

I never thought I'd say this but we need more halfway stupid people around here.

 

[irish_thug]

Thumb clit?

I encountered one of those once. A warning would have been nice.