War Room Lounge V33: The Value of Truth

[Sous-la-pluie]

can't we all get along

 

[luckyshot]

Hahahahahaha

Your nickname lives true.

How does it feel that your wife thinks of someone else just to get through being with you?

Really? I make a self-depreciating gag, and your response is "Ha ha, got you!"

As subtle as a fucking box of hammers you are, and at least half as charming.

 

[Sketch]

Hahahahahaha

Your nickname lives true.

How does it feel that your wife thinks of someone else just to get through being with you?

He probably enjoys it.

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

Lies that do little damage when telling the truth would do much more. Is fine.
While I have conflicting views on. Lies for sparing someone's feelings for those I am close to/work with
At the same time Lies for creating humor at another's expense because, fuck PC culture, everything can be joked about.

 

[Fawlty]

100% and I think it's impossible to behave the same way online as IRL. I'm referring to people that are totally different.

How to distinguish between really immersive play-acting, or a trolling addiction, or real, sociopathic lying behavior though? That can be tough. Like who is just having fun and wasting too much time, and who is getting charged up about being this fake person? Or is it a gray area between the two? And are the people doing it even aware of it?

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

Really? I just made a self-depreciating gag, and your response is "Ha ha, got you!"

As subtle as a fucking box of hammers you are, and at least half as charming.

Yes that's precisely it cuckyshot.

I'm always a PM away man if you want to turn your life around and stop living so beta. I can't help you with your penis size but other aspects such as dress and appearance, fitness, confidence and social IQ i can definitely help you with.

Same goes for gout boy @BarryDillon

 

[Trotsky]

Lies that my boss tells me to tell my subordinates.

This is a good one and actually comes up in ethics and civil law. Should be added to the poll.

I forget what it's called. Assumption by agency or something like that.

 

[luckyshot]

social IQ i can definitely help you with.

 

[Andy Capp]

I don't even like being set up with an unknown friend-of-a-friend through a phone call. I did sorta get close to a person online once, and don't want to repeat it lol. You're very lucky, both of you.

 

[Andy Capp]

How to distinguish between really immersive play-acting, or a trolling addiction, or real, sociopathic lying behavior though? That can be tough. Like who is just having fun and wasting too much time, and who is getting charged up about being this fake person? Or is it a gray area between the two? And are the people doing it even aware of it?

Consider that it was in the War Room that I learned of the term kayfabe and you will have your answer.

 

[BarryDillon]

 

[kpt018]

How to distinguish between really immersive play-acting, or a trolling addiction, or real, sociopathic lying behavior though? That can be tough. Like who is just having fun and wasting too much time, and who is getting charged up about being this fake person? Or is it a gray area between the two? And are the people doing it even aware of it?

No clue. I'm really bad at picking up on that stuff! I have a bad habit of assuming people post in good faith!

 

[Trotsky]

I don't approve of any sort of lying. I guess lying to spare feelings is somewhat OK. But telling a chick that she doesn't look fat/old isn't really lying if YOU believe it.

@Fawlty and I had this discussion before. I am very pro-lying when it comes to sparing the feelings of women.

 

[Fawlty]

I have a half-baked personal theory about lying and fraternization. I don't think that truth-telling is a very effective way of bringing people together. But I think an extremely effective way of bringing people together, especially men who play silly power games in fraternal organizations at all levels of authority, is to share in a lie. It can be something very straightforward, like a lie about the importance of slavery to the Civil War, or maybe an ethical transgression by one of the group's members that they agree, implicitly or explicitly, to lie about or to conceal. Whatever form the lie takes, that lie separates and bonds those people. A person who wishes to be accepted by the group can approach the group with a virtue signal (actually, a vice signal) to the effect of their shared lie, and gain the trust of the group.

The most obvious example of this is with police, who lie frequently and are hyper-fraternal. You can prove you're "one of the boys" by going to bat for a lying cop, simple easy effective. Yet conversely, it takes some pretty amazing leadership and integrity to prevent or root out that sort of behavior. Usually it requires an independent investigation, because the fraternal organization cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

 

[Lead]

How long?

How long what? Til he’s allowed back? Let me find out.

 

[Fawlty]

@Fawlty and I had this discussion before. I am very pro-lying when it comes to sparing the feelings of women.

I have found that some (not all) women do prefer being lied to. If you could know for sure that a person prefers hearing a lie, but you're against lying, whose ethics should you go by?

The hierarchy of honesty with women from their POV sometimes looks like this, I think:

Best: Being lied to
Medium: Being told an unpleasant truth
Worst: Refusing to commit to either a truth or a lie

I don't ever want another one of those lol.

 

[Trotsky]

I have found that some (not all) women do prefer being lied to. If you could know for sure that a person prefers hearing a lie, but you're against lying, whose ethics should you go by?

The hierarchy of honesty with women from their POV sometimes looks like this, I think:

Best: Being lied to
Medium: Being told an unpleasant truth
Worst: Refusing to commit to a truth or a lie

I don't ever want another one of those lol.

Well, my passionate stance refers to a specific situation that you were faced with. I'm pretty much only pro-lying when it comes to unfortunate-looking women. When I was 19, I kissed a girl (because of a mistletoe situation) who was legitimately one of the ugliest humans I'd ever met and who genuinely repulsed me. But I couldn't humiliate the poor girl in front of an entire party of people.

 

[Fawlty]

Well, my passionate stance refers to a specific situation that you were faced with. I'm pretty much only pro-lying when it comes to unfortunate-looking women. When I was 19, I kissed a girl (because of a mistletoe situation) who was legitimately one of the ugliest humans I'd ever met and who genuinely repulsed me. But I couldn't humiliate the poor girl in front of an entire party of people.

Yeah I remember that one, lol. Was just talking more generally, like women seem to prefer being lied to over being shut out. But yes when it comes to people who are not attractive a little white lie is probably good.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

Man, this War Room lounge needs new life. Seeing Failty and Chumpsky going back and forth in here is just mind-numbing. I'd rather read the Twilight books than this shit.