Opinion War Room Lounge v257: Favorite Fruits Edition

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Confucamus said:
Frances McDormand winning a THIRD Best Actress award is crazy. She's on her way to breaking records. Glad to see Anthony Hopkins get another statue as well. Might have to watch The Father. Anyone seen it?
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Only winner from last night that I've seen is Another Round, which I watched and posted about in here as a joke. Did not realize it would be nominated for anything.

It was fun but not in the same category as past winners like Parasite or A Separation. This is also likely to be the only Oscars where the only film I've seen was the International winner.
 
Jack V Savage said:
Anyway, the point (since it appears that I have to spell it out) it should be obvious that if there's a spectrum, one isn't necessarily on one extreme or the other. Ted K seems pretty clearly on the far right.
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If he's gotta be placed somewhere then sure. Eschewing technological change is conservative by nature, and that was his main concern.
 
Cubo de Sangre said:
If he's gotta be placed somewhere then sure. Eschewing technological change is conservative by nature, and that was his main concern.
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If we're talking about where he should be placed, we should try to place him correctly and not fail to distinguish between a binary choice and a spectrum.
 
Jack V Savage said:
If we're talking about where he should be placed, we should try to place him correctly and not fail to distinguish between a binary choice and a spectrum.
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If we were going of the political compass I would imagine he would fall somewhere deep in the libertarian right part of the compass
 
Cubo de Sangre said:
If leftists value family and community then those aren't right-wing values. If they don't then isn't that worthy of criticism?

Are you saying technology hasn't separated man from nature to a large extent, or that it isn't a bad thing if that happens, or...?

Maybe Ted is a right-winger and he himself would tell you that. What I got from his manifest was him being far more interested in the human spirit than politics.
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Its not about merely "valuing family" necessarily, its about to the extent to which you believe in unchosen, non-negotiable duties to one's family. Of course leftists value family in some sense but they are much less receptive to the notion of that kind of duty to family.

Pretty much everyone believes that parents have a duty to their children but the extent of that duty can vary. To a somewhat lesser extent most of us believe we have a duty to our parents but that only goes so far. I read an article recently written by an Indian woman whose was set to marry another Indian from a higher caste but eventually his family refused to give their consent to the marriage. That's radically right wing on multiple levels; the caste system itself being a hierarchical system and then the duty on the individual level to maintain the caste and the honor of family by marrying within the caste.

Most right wingers don't go that far but they certainly embrace the idea of familial duty more than leftists do. You rarely see conservative rightists espouse the virtues of "chosen families" because that's antithetical to traditional family values. There's actually an increase in adult children cutting off their parents and for increasingly petty reasons and I think that's a sign of the shift in the overton window to the left in terms of social values.
 
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essie said:
I thought it was good. Compared to Michigan, where I went previous, it was more fun in terms of class. I made lots of friends and it helped me in my career path at least.

Isn't Futurama by Matt Groening? I think that joke is in there because he went to Evergreen.
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Fun fact I got to climb and paint the light poles in the big house in 2013
 
Falsedawn said:
Any wife I have is going to have to understand that if by some miracle of relativity prime Phoebe Cates appears at my door and wants the pipe, I'm changing my occupation to plumber and not even feeling bad about it.

That's just the monke in me

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Even 58-year-old Cates?

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Jack V Savage said:
Anyway, the point (since it appears that I have to spell it out) is that it should be obvious that if there's a spectrum, one isn't necessarily on one extreme or the other. Ted K seems pretty clearly on the far right.
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It should also be noted that environmentalism became a progressive issue only fairly recently.

Nixon is the one that created the EPA and Reagan had a pretty strong environmentalist record while he was California's governor-

Republicans for Environmental Protection, an organization that has been a staunch critic of Bush’s environmental record, posted a glowing In Memoriam to Reagan on their website Monday: “REP America joins every citizen in bidding a sad farewell to President Ronald Reagan. His wilderness protection achievements are an enduring legacy for the American people. President Reagan signed into law 38 bills that added more than 10.6 million acres of spectacular forests, mountains, deserts, and wetlands to the National Wilderness Preservation System.”
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https://grist.org/article/griscom-reagan/
 
Possum Jenkins said:
It should also be noted that environmentalism became a progressive issue only fairly recently.

Nixon is the one that created the EPA and Reagan had a pretty strong environmentalist record while he was California's governor-

https://grist.org/article/griscom-reagan/
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Nixon didn't create the EPA because he was an environmentalist. He was way outnumbered in Congress and wanted to head off more-serious action on the environment.
 
Khabib Khanate said:
Its not about merely "valuing family" necessarily, its about to the extent to which you believe in unchosen, non-negotiable duties to one's family. Of course leftists value family in some sense but they are much less receptive to the notion of that kind of duty to family.

Pretty much everyone believes that parents have a duty to their children but the extent of that duty can vary. To a somewhat lesser extent most of us believe we have a duty to our parents but that only goes so far. I read an article recently written by an Indian woman whose was set to marry another Indian from a higher caste but eventually his family refused to give their consent to the marriage. That's radically right wing on multiple levels; the caste system itself being a hierarchical system and then the duty on the individual level to maintain the caste and the honor of family by marrying within the caste.

Most right wingers don't go that far but they certainly embrace the idea of familial duty more than leftists do. You rarely see conservative rightists espouse the virtues of "chosen families" because that's antithetical to traditional family values. There's actually an increase in adult children cutting off their parents and for increasingly petty reasons and I think that's a sign of the shift in the overton window to the left in terms of social values.
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It's kind of a different axis so the connection is more tendency-based than logical consequences of philosophical outlooks, but rightists are generally more likely to see morality as being based on particular relationships than universal rules.
 
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