WAR ROOM LOUNGE V25: MJ vs Prince

[Andy Capp]

Big pharma has proven itself to be a dishonest enemy of the people. Asking the crook for better prices is not a solution. It’s them stringing us along on in a game of deceit and manipulation, and they are the true masters at this game. Their business model is to keep people alive and dependent to ensure a constant revenue stream. It is PURE evil. There is no redemption. There is no saving it. It is evil and it must be pacified.

They are only masters of the game because they have written the rules.

 

[Trotsky]

As well, I see your point there. However, part of my admiration for Russell's choice there is he was going against the thoughts of a lot of fellow travelers, and had less time to analyze the impact or literature regarding Lenin.

I don't really see it as a particularly bold move, since Russell wasn't really in a place where his endorsement was meaningful. He mentioned that Gorky had, on his deathbed, urged him to reconcile the Bolshevik cause, even as it had turned quite brutal and anti-socialist under Stalin, as both a dialectical product of the suffering of the protracted brutality of the autocracy and the interfering forces in and outside Russia, and as well a material improvement upon the conditions of suffering in Russia before the revolution. Gorky seemed to know, as did most socialists of that era such as Orwell, that the Russian state had its fair share of problems and if the final product of Bolshevism was to be viewed in a vacuum or under the terms of the capitalist West, it would be portrayed very poorly. But they also knew that the USSR was, both historically and in contemporary politics, a force for good. The idea that socialists and Marxists the world over were rank-and-file partisans for the Russian state and for Marxism-Leninism is mostly revisionist crap that springs from US propaganda that was used (effectively) to harass and imprison American leftists.

When it comes to how to exactly classify Lenin, I am not sure where a proper discussion could begin. The more "Marxist" left is always reticent to own diehard figures, as that segment of the social left is savvy enough to know that a lack of definition means a difficulty in attacking the idea or cause.

I don't think that this is true: certainly not with regard to Lenin. If you read any contemporary socialist/Marxist/leftist publications, you'll see that Lenin is fully "owned," even if outright support for him is discouraged. Lenin was, without a doubt, a right-wing deviation within the Russian communist community (from early in his tenure he clearly endorsed seizure of the state and sympathized and autocratic and anti-socialist methods for gaining and retaining power), but he was a Marxist to be sure. Perhaps the most prototypically "right wing" thing about Lenin was that he, in the vein of all right wing thinkers, tended to reason backwards from expediency - even if he did so brilliantly.

Who is a proper, non-reactionary leader from the time period, and today? (Besides Trotsky, if you wouldn't mind.)

What makes Lenin reactionary besides his tyranny and despotic maneuvers in your opinion?

Yury Lutovinov, Alexander Bogdanov, Rosa Luxemburg, Anton Pannekoek, Karl Schroder, Amadeo Bordiga,

Even within the right-communists/Bolsheviks, there were substantially less reactionary figures (who were mostly removed during Stalin's purges) like Nikolai Bukharin, Vladimir Bazarov, Georgey Safarov, and Alexander Beolodoborov (that name is a nightmare, so I may have misspelled it). Trotsky had his own reactionary weaknesses. They just happened to be less pronounced than Lenin's. I think that the kindred spirits-esque historical relationship between Lenin and Trotsky is likewise fascinating.

Regardless, that depends on what you mean by "leader." Ultimately, the Bolsheviks won and history was funneled through their actions. Likewise, I think it's undeniable the reality of political action, particularly in adversarial circumstances, lends to right-ward policy sacrifices: for instance, the rightward compromises by Lenin and Trotsky - namely the subordination of the trade unions and railroading of left-communists and anarchists - were ultimately irresistible in their expediency.

Further, I need to look it up later, but there was a really exceptional biography of Stalin written recently that points towards his use of The Holodomor and other atrocities being initiated to reach Marxist ends as Stalin saw it, not simply to consolidate power. Although, later-Stalin has proved a figure hard to study, as he brushed, massaged, and stole the records so thoroughly with an eye towards history. I'll try to find it (Probably) in 24 odd hours.

Stalin could be argued, perhaps only by the coldest of utilitarians, to have been partially exonerated by the history of World War II. That is, his brutality, his centralization, his colllectivization, and his removal of anything remotely communistic or socialistic about the USSR ultimately hastened Russian industrialization to a point that it could withstand Western aggression. Had Russia been in a state similar to where it was in 1917 when WWII broke out, Germany would have leveled it.

Those represent some crude ends. But Marxist ends? Absolutely not. It's exceptionally hard for history and all of its intellectuals to really accept what Stalin as: a thug.

 

[Andy Capp]

Lowering prices isn't a big ask to a drug dealer. They know they already have you hooked for life. You think the medicine is to help you, but it's really geared to keep you dependent. It's completely evil.

Jason Fung (GSP's doctor) and others are shedding light on how the body was designed to heal itself...

If you're eating a healthy diet then you have no need to fast for your (physical) health. If you are eating an unhealthy diet then your concern should be how to eat a healthy diet, not avoid eating entirely. Seems like snake oil to me batman. Oh yeah and cleanses are some outright bullshit. Just FYI.

 

[Joe265]

They are only masters of the game because they have written the rules.

There are no rules. The game is to make you accept their vision of reality through seduction and deceit. To literally make you worship man’s approval.

 

[Joe265]

If you're eating a healthy diet then you have no need to fast for your (physical) health. If you are eating an unhealthy diet then your concern should be how to eat a healthy diet, not avoid eating entirely. Seems like snake oil to me batman. Oh yeah and cleanses are some outright bullshit. Just FYI.

You allow shallow perceptions and fears to dictate your reality.

 

[Andy Capp]

You allow shallow perceptions and fears to dictate your reality.

LOL you haven't got the foggiest fucking clue what my reality is or what my perceptions are.

 

[Joe265]

LOL you haven't got the foggiest fucking clue what my reality is or what my perceptions are.

When you communicate your thoughts and opinions, you also reveal your perceptions. Not sure why you’re reacting fearfully.

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

Big pharma has proven itself to be a dishonest enemy of the people. Asking the crook for better prices is not a solution. It’s them stringing us along on in a game of deceit and manipulation, and they are the true masters at this game. Their business model is to keep people alive and dependent to ensure a constant revenue stream. It is PURE evil. There is no redemption. There is no saving it. It is evil and it must be pacified.

There is only one answer! FASTING!

 

[Joe265]

There is only one answer! FASTING!

It’s sad to see people confuse perception for reality. Deeply fearful ppl. This is why they have to attack. They don’t understand how to deal with ideas not handed to them. This is a slave mentality.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

This Twitter account is amazing

 

[Joe265]

LOL

= How to win the argument in your own mind, regardless of reality.

 

[Andy Capp]

= How to win the argument in your own mind, regardless of reality.

You're doing a good job of proving you're the alt of that other pinhead that's been pushing this line. And lol at your projection. Your fear is palpable. It practically radiates from your posts. You should ask your mom for help with that.

 

[Joe265]

You're doing a good job of proving you're the alt of that other pinhead that's been pushing this line. And lol at your projection. Your fear is palpable. It practically radiates from your posts. You should ask your mom for help with that.

Okay.

 

[Fawlty]

This Twitter account is amazing

Good girls.

 

[Renard]

Lowering prices isn't a big ask to a drug dealer. They know they already have you hooked for life. You think the medicine is to help you, but it's really geared to keep you dependent. It's completely evil.

Jason Fung (GSP's doctor) and others are shedding light on how the body was designed to heal itself...

I lost some respect for Jason Fung when he said that he doesn't refer any of his formerly obese patients for skin removal surgery, implying that autophagy somehow removed the extra skin without lying directly. It doesn't, and many of his patients do have loose skin. At some point it stops being scientific and just being preachy and believing fasting is some kind of magic bullet for everything. That's why I don't like him, he's too invested in fasting being the solution for everything and he's not ready to be proven wrong when it's not.

 

[Joe265]

I lost some respect for Jason Fung when he said that he doesn't refer any of his formerly obese patients for skin removal surgery, implying that autophagy somehow removed the extra skin without lying directly. It doesn't, and many of his patients do have loose skin. At some point it stops being scientific and just being preachy and believing fasting is some kind of magic bullet for everything. That's why I don't like him, he's too invested in fasting being the solution for everything and he's not ready to be proven wrong when it's not.

You claim autophagy doesn’t address loose skin by being preachy. Very little substance beyond your stated opposition.

 

[Gregolian]

Good girls.

The kind of girls I could get with.

 

[Renard]

You claim autophagy doesn’t address loose skin by being preachy. Very little substance beyond your stated opposition.

I love how you think talking like a robot makes your argument. That's not what I said at all.

 

[Trotsky]

 

[Joe265]

I love how you think talking like a robot makes your argument. That's not what I said at all.

What evidence did you provide against his claim besides opposing it? You literally stated nothing. Zero evidence. Yet you’re certain about him being wrong. The guy has a legitimate medical practice. What are you even taking about?