War Room Lounge v171: That sounds like the first thing a newly sentient crow would say.

[Andy Capp]

Do yourself a favour and watch this series immediately

Looks like a lot of fun.

 

[TheMinority]

We have been getting less racist as a society for a long time, while misogyny has been more persistent.

Seems to be an accurate assessment.

 

[Rational Poster]

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

I don't even know what to say about this.

Oh man, that is great. It’s like the Karen thing. I can’t believe some on the left took the bait that women being called names is equivalent to being called the N word. Hilarious.

yea, I'm seeing a similar theme on my FB newsfeed.

many women (all of them left) are using last night's debate as further proof of just how misgonystic and sexist the American political landscape is.

one insinuated that Hillary Clinton would have never been able to get away with telling Trump to "shut up" or calling him a clown, or that women, especially women in Power are expected to behave a certain way or they are a "BITCH", "EMOTIONAL", etc.

 

[Trotsky]

Already, in fact. Can't wait for someone to lecture me about how women have it worse than black people in America lmao

It's not exactly an easily delineated topic. But, in a lot of ways, they do. In terms of culture specifically, we've come much farther on racial issues in the past half-century than we have on gender issues.

Given that, IIRC, you considered yourself a feminist, I would expect that you would be particularly aware of the glaringly disparate standards for women in American culture and politics. Hell, just look at literally any topic about a female politician on this board. Inevitably and without exception, the topic will have numerous replies boiling down the female figure to her sexual value, i.e. saying "oh, I want to fuck her in the ass so bad" or "she's fucking disgusting." Whether it's Hillary, Merkel, Nancy Pelosi, or Ilhan Omar, sex will injected into the conversation to undermine their seriousness. One of the grossest responses I personally recall was someone responding to a thread about AOC with a picture of her boyfriend, followed by "this is the type of guy this cunt lets cum inside her."

In short, a black man can be taken seriously and valued on the basis of his intellectual, moral, or professional contributions. A woman's value, no matter how independently awesome she is intellectually, morally, or professionally, will always be intrinsically tied to her status as a sexual object.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Are you sure about that? I'm pretty confident that I've seen polls consistently saying voters favor Trump on the economy like 55% to 45%.

No, I'm wrong. Recent WaPo poll had it 48%-47% Biden, and a recent NYT poll had 53% blaming Trump for the recession, and I was mixing those two up. At the least, though, it's not a strength for Trump anymore.

 

[Trotsky]

yea, I'm seeing a similar theme on my FB newsfeed.

many women (all of them left) are using last night's debate as further proof of just how misgonystic and sexist the American political landscape is.

one insinuated that Hillary Clinton would have never been able to get away with telling Trump to "shut up" or calling him a clown, or that women, especially women in Power are expected to behave a certain way or they are a "BITCH", "EMOTIONAL", etc.

That one insinuated absolutely correctly. Biden can get away with a lot that Clinton couldn't, largely because of sexist stereotypes.

And this comes from someone who openly dislikes Clinton quite a lot.

 

[MMAisGod]

@MMAisGod rereading your post the anecdote that actually interests me is your wife and her friends because the demographic where Biden is absolutely killing it is women, especially college educated women

Do you know if it's Hispanic women by chance? She is from DR, and most of her friend base are Hispanic. Not sure if it's all women total, but yea. She has her little mini-click tight circle of about 4-5 girls like most do, but the only one who is more middling is probably my wife because of me lol. Her friends are much more "meh" and one of them is like a super MAGA troll type. But it could be just anecdotal since we're talking about hundreds of thousands vs 5 women. Also if you're checking it out, see if the Tampa Bay area is pulling different results than FL as a whole. I'd be super curious to know that.

 

[TheMinority]

We have been getting less racist as a society for a long time, while misogyny has been more persistent.

One could argue that misogyny has actually increased, from what was previously mostly an unconscious cultural attitude, now has emerged into just plain conscious bigotry. Its now intentionally mean spirited and degrading.

They know its wrong but they persist.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Head over to the debate poll thread and enjoy.

As you can imagine I work with some pretty conservative guys. But in my section there’s only two haole guys (and one is Puerto Rican technically). The reaction this morning was a mix of kind of disbelief and disgust at that tbh.

 

[MMAisGod]

It's not exactly an easily delineated topic. But, in a lot of ways, they do. In terms of culture specifically, we've come much farther on racial issues in the past half-century than we have on gender issues.

Given that, IIRC, you considered yourself a feminist, I would expect that you would be particularly aware of the glaringly disparate standards for women in American culture and politics. Hell, just look at literally any topic about a female politician on this board. Inevitably and without exception, the topic will have numerous replies boiling down the female figure to her sexual value, i.e. saying "oh, I want to fuck her in the ass so bad" or "she's fucking disgusting." Whether it's Hillary, Merkel, Nancy Pelosi, or Ilhan Omar, sex will injected into the conversation to undermine their seriousness. One of the grossest responses I personally recall was someone responding to a thread about AOC with a picture of her boyfriend, followed by "this is the type of guy this cunt lets cum inside her."

In short, a black man can be taken seriously and valued on the basis of his intellectual, moral, or professional contributions. A woman's value, no matter how independently awesome she is intellectually, morally, or professionally, will always be intrinsically tied to her status as a sexual object.

In short, a black man can be taken seriously and valued on the basis of his intellectual, moral, or professional contributions. A woman's value, no matter how independently awesome she is intellectually, morally, or professionally, will always be intrinsically tied to her status as a sexual object.

You surprised me with this one, almost like our Myles Garrett racist comment debate. I'd probably argue until the forum exploded that black men have it more difficult than a white woman.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Already, in fact. Can't wait for someone to lecture me about how women have it worse than black people in America lmao

Would you like a historically based lecture, or one more heavily pwn focused?

 

[BEER]

It's not exactly an easily delineated topic. But, in a lot of ways, they do. In terms of culture specifically, we've come much farther on racial issues in the past half-century than we have on gender issues.

Given that, IIRC, you considered yourself a feminist, I would expect that you would be particularly aware of the glaringly disparate standards for women in American culture and politics. Hell, just look at literally any topic about a female politician on this board. Inevitably and without exception, the topic will have numerous replies boiling down the female figure to her sexual value, i.e. saying "oh, I want to fuck her in the ass so bad" or "she's fucking disgusting." Whether it's Hillary, Merkel, Nancy Pelosi, or Ilhan Omar, sex will injected into the conversation to undermine their seriousness. One of the grossest responses I personally recall was someone responding to a thread about AOC with a picture of her boyfriend, followed by "this is the type of guy this cunt lets cum inside her."

In short, a black man can be taken seriously and valued on the basis of his intellectual, moral, or professional contributions. A woman's value, no matter how independently awesome she is intellectually, morally, or professionally, will always be intrinsically tied to her status as a sexual object.

This is a good post, and I agree that misogyny is alive and well, but you're framing it from the perspective of success. In fact, framing it from the perspective of successful women being subjected to sexualized remarks and harassment.

But when you flip the perspective to, say, crime; Women serve far less time in prison for the same offenses. I'd be curious to see if black women serve more time than white women, though. Like I said, intersectionality has to be a part of this conversation. But we know that women serve less time than men, and black men serve more time than white men. Black men are far more likely to victims of violent crime (whether black on black or otherwise) than women. I assume black women are more likely than white women, but it's something I'm not sure there is data on.

We also know that black people have a higher rate of interaction with police, and black men in particular. We know that black men are arrested, charged, and convicted at a much higher rate than women.

In pretty much every facet of the way that women may have less "privilege" than men, black people have it worse, and black women have it worse than white women.

But if you want to keep it to the successful, I wonder...

What do you think Ilhan Omar, for instance, would say is worst or more fearsome: Being sexually objectified as a woman, or being attacked and threatened on her race and religion? Or which one happens more often?

If you use her Twitter replies as an indication, she seems to get far more vitriol for being a black Muslim woman than for simply being a woman.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You surprised me with this one, almost like our Myles Garrett racist comment debate. I'd probably argue until the forum exploded that black men have it more difficult than a white woman.

Who knows about that, but black men have seen more improvement from where they were at various points in history (starting from literally being property of other people to be used and abused and tortured with the full support of the law).

 

[Trotsky]

You surprised me with this one, almost like our Myles Garrett racist comment debate. I'd probably argue until the forum exploded that black men have it more difficult than a white woman.

In a lot of ways, they do. I would say that, in most ways, they do. But not all ways.

Certainly, in terms of material indicators (income, life expectancy, economic independence) women (particularly white women) have come a lot farther than black persons in the past century. But that post seemed to be specifically leveled at political discourse, as opposed to general equity.

And, of course, there's always black women, who have it harder than both.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Do you know if it's Hispanic women by chance? She is from DR, and most of her friend base are Hispanic. Not sure if it's all women total, but yea. She has her little mini-click tight circle of about 4-5 girls like most do, but the only one who is more middling is probably my wife because of me lol. Her friends are much more "meh" and one of them is like a super MAGA troll type. But it could be just anecdotal since we're talking about hundreds of thousands vs 5 women. Also if you're checking it out, see if the Tampa Bay area is pulling different results than FL as a whole. I'd be super curious to know that.

He's winning by a lot with all women. He leads women in all demographics except white women without college degrees where him and Trump are tied.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...0ef678-ff7f-11ea-9ceb-061d646d9c67_story.html

"A sizable gender gap continues to fuel Biden’s lead, with women making the difference in the current state of the race. Trump has a lead of 55 percent to 42 percent among male likely voters, but Biden has an even larger 65 percent to 34 percent advantage among female likely voters. Trump’s lead among men is about the same as his margin over Hillary Clinton in 2016, but Biden’s lead among women is more than twice as large as Clinton’s was then.''


"Biden and Trump are roughly even in the battle for crucial suburban voters, with 52 percent supporting Biden to 47 percent for Trump. Again, Biden relies heavily on female voters. Suburban men back Trump by 60 percent to 38 percent, while suburban women favor Biden by an even larger 66 percent to 34 percent."

"Biden leads among White women with college degrees by 41 points and is almost even among White women without degrees. In 2016, Clinton lost White women without college degrees by 23 points, according to the Pew survey of confirmed voters."

WaPo doesn't break out minority groups because the sample sizes are too small but I've seen other articles showing his support is strongest with black women followed by hispanic followed by white.

Here is recent one.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article245900090.html

"In the swing state of Arizona, for example, an Equis poll found that 40% of Latinos indicated they would support Trump, compared to 55% who said they’d back Biden. Latinas, meanwhile, supported Biden by a 69% to 19% split, an astounding 35-point difference between the genders.

In North Carolina, Equis found a similar 34-point gap, and in Nevada, it found a 23-point gap. In each of the trio of presidential battlegrounds, only 20% or less of Hispanic women said they’d back Trump — while about one-third or more of men said they’d support him.

he gap was smaller in Florida, where the Cuban-American vote makes up a larger share of the overall Hispanic electorate than other states. But even there, men supported Biden (50% to 40%) at a significantly lower rate than women (56% to 35%)

“For so long, we didn’t look at a gender divide with Hispanics,” said Michelle Mayorga, who conducted the polls for Equis. “We looked at them as a monolith.”"

 

[JDragon]

Many black people are in fact women.

I think it is the other way round

 

[MMAisGod]

Who knows about that, but black men have seen more improvement from where they were at various points in history (starting from literally being property of other people to be used and abused with the full support of the law).

In a lot of ways, they do. I would say that, in most ways, they do. But not all ways.

Certainly, in terms of material indicators (income, life expectancy, economic independence) women (particularly white women) have come a lot farther than black persons in the past century. But that post seemed to be specifically leveled at political discourse, as opposed to general equity.

And, of course, there's always black women, who have it harder than both.

Yea nothing probably beats going from literally slave and half of person to now. But if we say said who would be bashed unfairly politics due to race/gender, you can almost compare it to when Obama vs Hillary happened years ago. I feel like there were much more unfiltered racist comments or blatant attacks on Obama, for the sole reason of him being black, than there were on Hillary, for the sole reason of her being a woman. I think that's about as good a comparison we can get on the political spectrum, since they were in the same party, and both had a very strong say to win their primary.

I would imagine something like a hypothetical primary of Booker vs Warren in 2020 being very similar to that dynamic. Unless you disagree with that outtake of course at the time or the hypothetical, but I would assume it would play at the same levels of hate.

 

[TheMinority]

In short, women from every class and of every color face discrimination in almost every sector of society.

It transcends race. Its global. Its human.

 

[tonni]

one insinuated that Hillary Clinton would have never been able to get away with telling Trump to "shut up" or calling him a clown, or that women, especially women in Power are expected to behave a certain way or they are a "BITCH", "EMOTIONAL", etc.

Is she wrong though?