War Room Lounge v171: That sounds like the first thing a newly sentient crow would say.

[MMAisGod]

He's winning by a lot with all women. He leads women in all demographics except white women without college degrees where him and Trump are tied.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...0ef678-ff7f-11ea-9ceb-061d646d9c67_story.html

"A sizable gender gap continues to fuel Biden’s lead, with women making the difference in the current state of the race. Trump has a lead of 55 percent to 42 percent among male likely voters, but Biden has an even larger 65 percent to 34 percent advantage among female likely voters. Trump’s lead among men is about the same as his margin over Hillary Clinton in 2016, but Biden’s lead among women is more than twice as large as Clinton’s was then.''


"Biden and Trump are roughly even in the battle for crucial suburban voters, with 52 percent supporting Biden to 47 percent for Trump. Again, Biden relies heavily on female voters. Suburban men back Trump by 60 percent to 38 percent, while suburban women favor Biden by an even larger 66 percent to 34 percent."

"Biden leads among White women with college degrees by 41 points and is almost even among White women without degrees. In 2016, Clinton lost White women without college degrees by 23 points, according to the Pew survey of confirmed voters."

WaPo doesn't break out minority groups because the sample sizes are too small but I've seen other articles showing his support is strongest with black women followed by hispanic followed by white.

Here is recent one.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article245900090.html

"In the swing state of Arizona, for example, an Equis poll found that 40% of Latinos indicated they would support Trump, compared to 55% who said they’d back Biden. Latinas, meanwhile, supported Biden by a 69% to 19% split, an astounding 35-point difference between the genders.

In North Carolina, Equis found a similar 34-point gap, and in Nevada, it found a 23-point gap. In each of the trio of presidential battlegrounds, only 20% or less of Hispanic women said they’d back Trump — while about one-third or more of men said they’d support him.

he gap was smaller in Florida, where the Cuban-American vote makes up a larger share of the overall Hispanic electorate than other states. But even there, men supported Biden (50% to 40%) at a significantly lower rate than women (56% to 35%)

“For so long, we didn’t look at a gender divide with Hispanics,” said Michelle Mayorga, who conducted the polls for Equis. “We looked at them as a monolith.”"

I just looked up my area while sending the other response, it could be because it's actually more conservative over here.

https://www.bestplaces.net/voting/zip-code/florida/apollo_beach/33572

^ Basically says that the county is more liberal-leaning, but my area in Apollo Beach is conservative leaning, only voted D in 2008, and donates at an average of $243 per contribution to Rs vs $47 for Ds lol. So I think I found my answer LOL.

 

[tonni]

Yea nothing probably beats going from literally slave and half of person to now. But if we say said who would be bashed unfairly politics due to race/gender, you can almost compare it to when Obama vs Hillary happened years ago. I feel like there were much more unfiltered racist comments or blatant attacks on Obama, for the sole reason of him being black, than there were on Hillary, for the sole reason of her being a woman. I think that's about as good a comparison we can get on the political spectrum, since they were in the same party, and both had a very strong say to win their primary.

I would imagine something like a hypothetical primary of Booker vs Warren in 2020 being very similar to that dynamic. Unless you disagree with that outtake of course at the time or the hypothetical, but I would assume it would play at the same levels of hate.

Do you have any idea how many people think women shouldn't be leaders because they're "too emotional"?

Anyway, all the oppression olympics are tiring. We need space invaders to unite us.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Is she wrong though?

no, didn't insinuate that at all.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

@Trotsky these 2 tweets had me thinking of your comment the economy and the debate and Biden at one point did look at the camera and had a bit of a Reagan moment of "are you better off than your were 4 years ago?" but not in those exact words

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

It
In short, a black man can be taken seriously and valued on the basis of his intellectual, moral, or professional contributions. A woman's value, no matter how independently awesome she is intellectually, morally, or professionally, will always be intrinsically tied to her status as a sexual object.

this is an astute point of which I've observed in one form or another in every job I've had.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Is she wrong though?

This is kind of a segway, but related to what we are discussing ...but in my experience...some of the most prominent detractors, and ardent obstacles of any remotely attractive women in the office work place is....other women.

 

[tonni]

It's not exactly an easily delineated topic. But, in a lot of ways, they do. In terms of culture specifically, we've come much farther on racial issues in the past half-century than we have on gender issues.

Given that, IIRC, you considered yourself a feminist, I would expect that you would be particularly aware of the glaringly disparate standards for women in American culture and politics. Hell, just look at literally any topic about a female politician on this board. Inevitably and without exception, the topic will have numerous replies boiling down the female figure to her sexual value, i.e. saying "oh, I want to fuck her in the ass so bad" or "she's fucking disgusting." Whether it's Hillary, Merkel, Nancy Pelosi, or Ilhan Omar, sex will injected into the conversation to undermine their seriousness. One of the grossest responses I personally recall was someone responding to a thread about AOC with a picture of her boyfriend, followed by "this is the type of guy this cunt lets cum inside her."

In short, a black man can be taken seriously and valued on the basis of his intellectual, moral, or professional contributions. A woman's value, no matter how independently awesome she is intellectually, morally, or professionally, will always be intrinsically tied to her status as a sexual object.

Absolutely. It’s also considered some kind of weird bonding where you just say the grossest sexual thing that comes to mind whenever a woman is mentioned.

It’s classless imo.

 

[tonni]

This is kind of a segway, but related to what we are discussing ...but in my experience...some of the most prominent detractors, and ardent obstacles of any remotely attractive women in the office work place is....other women.

Probably yeah.

 

[Sketch]

Do you have any idea how many people think women shouldn't be leaders because they're "too emotional"?

Anyway, all the oppression olympics are tiring. We need space invaders to unite us.

Are women in Belgium not too emotional?

here in North America our women still have periods and go through a week at a time we’re they are in less control of their emotions.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Yea nothing probably beats going from literally slave and half of person to now. But if we say said who would be bashed unfairly politics due to race/gender, you can almost compare it to when Obama vs Hillary happened years ago. I feel like there were much more unfiltered racist comments or blatant attacks on Obama, for the sole reason of him being black, than there were on Hillary, for the sole reason of her being a woman. I think that's about as good a comparison we can get on the political spectrum, since they were in the same party, and both had a very strong say to win their primary.

So sounds like we agree on the main point (the amount of progress). Separately, I don't think the attacks are usually on the "sole basis" of anything like that. But the idea that they're stepping out of a certain societally approved role plays into the visceral hatred that people feel. In Obama's case, it's a lower-caste person in a leadership position, which gets people calling him arrogant and implying that he's apparent intelligence is some kind of act (you'd think that the teleprompter was invented for him the way some people talked). In Clinton's case, breaking the gender role had people talking about her being calculating and overly ambitious and corrupt. So people would say they hate Obama because he's arrogant and/or phony, and Clinton because she's a heartless bitch or whatever, but the baggage of their race and gender is playing into that perception.

 

[sickc0d3r]

As you can imagine I work with some pretty conservative guys. But in my section there’s only two haole guys (and one is Puerto Rican technically). The reaction this morning was a mix of kind of disbelief and disgust at that tbh.

I have several conservative friends, everyone is shaking their head. It's disgraceful. Not unexpected, though. I think dude is unraveling.

Of course here in sherdog land he's just being a savvy politician, and the Proud Boys are like, just guys with an opinion about stuff.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Are women in Belgium not too emotional?

here in North America our women still have periods and go through a week at a time we’re they are in less control of their emotions.

 

[Deleted member 539235]

Standing by.

<{cruzshake}>

m8 please don't even joke about being part of this britishciggotry

 

[Trotsky]

I have several conservative friends, everyone is shaking their head. It's disgraceful. Not unexpected, though. I think dude is unraveling.

Of course here in sherdog land he's just being a savvy politician, and the Proud Boys are like, just guys with an opinion about stuff.

Someone in the debate thread said that Trump commanding the Proud Boys is no different than Biden giving a shout out to the elk lodge.

 

[TheMinority]

This is kind of a segway, but related to what we are discussing ...but in my experience...some of the most prominent detractors, and ardent obstacles of any remotely attractive women in the office work place is....other women.

Because women tend to handle conflict differently than men.

 

[Andy Capp]

Interesting. I know like, zero, about the area so I'd have never thought that. You always hear the "omg the Cali people want to give these Mexicans free everything because they all vote for them" or whatever so surprising to hear that isn't necessarily what's going on over there.

I'm surprised the trick has not been more evident to more people. At different times, depending upon the narrative Trump supporters want to paint, Hispanics are really conservatives and support Trump and all he is doing because crazy leftists, and at other times they're the darling of every pandering liberal and the Democrats offer them the world for their votes. It's hilarious and I haven't noticed anyone else remark on it even though it has been an ongoing feature of the Trump phenomenon since his first campaign.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Because women tend to handle conflict differently than men.

diabolically?

 

[Rational Poster]

<{cruzshake}>

m8 please don't even joke about being part of this britishciggotry

Bitch can't even wear a belt. He didn't do anything close to create the modern world.

 

[MMAisGod]

Do you have any idea how many people think women shouldn't be leaders because they're "too emotional"?

Anyway, all the oppression olympics are tiring. We need space invaders to unite us.

I mean, that can be also stated as "Do you have any idea how many people think black people shouldn't be leaders because they're "insert here". I am no "white supremacy is a health emergency" type of guy at all, but I don't think that the racist narrative has progressed as much as we pretend it does. I still believe that if you line up a white woman and black male of the exact same skills of neutral job like say Corporate America position X, the white woman is getting that job 9/10 times.

Both are accurate, because we have a certain amount of ignorant people running around that won't be changing in the near future. Which is worse is debatable, an unfortunate reality. I'll sign up 100% for alien invasions or A.I. taking over though.

So sounds like we agree on the main point (the amount of progress). Separately, I don't think the attacks are usually on the "sole basis" of anything like that. But the idea that they're stepping out of a certain societally approved role plays into the visceral hatred that people feel. In Obama's case, it's a lower-caste person in a leadership position, which gets people calling him arrogant and implying that he's apparent intelligence is some kind of act (you'd think that the teleprompter was invented for him the way some people talked). In Clinton's case, breaking the gender role had people talking about her being calculating and overly ambitious and corrupt. So people would say they hate Obama because he's arrogant and/or phony, and Clinton because she's a heartless bitch or whatever, but the baggage of their race and gender is playing into that perception.

Good points for sure. All of it really. I think my only add would be that I think Obama's exceeded that level, given all the racist attacks he received based around him being black, garbage like that. Whereas Clinton never really got too much "get back in the kitchen woman" type of sexist hate, she got the levels of hate because she was a woman like you referenced here. The blatant ignorance type of hate was in full effect with Obama. Then to double down, Obama was likely the most charismatic and "well this is what you asked for voters" candidate of the modern era, and that wasn't really recognized until after he became President, which I think wasn't happening if he was a white male with everything else the same. I do remember Hillary getting a lot of that "overly ambitious" hate that really made no sense during her race with Obama though. So I think I do mostly agree that they both got unnecessary heat based on race/gender, I think I just lean towards Obama's being more "outrageous" heat overall if that makes sense.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Are women in Belgium not too emotional?

here in North America our women still have periods and go through a week at a time we’re they are in less control of their emotions.

Belgian women don’t menstruate. It’s why they import so many Arabs and Africans.