WAR ROOM LOUNGE V16: Enjambment

[Jack V Savage]

I don't know, Jack. Sylvia armbar was a fluke. Can't see why people rate Mir higher than some no-name cans.

What no-name cans did I say that Mir shouldn't be rated higher than? Pretty sure you're making that up. I have compared him to Leben, who was also an exciting and popular fighter with a long UFC career and also peaked at around the middle of the top 10 of his division. And, yeah, obviously the Sylvia armbar was fluky.

 

[waiguoren]

HW sucks, always has. You guys arguing about the worst division don't have anything better to do? Derrick Lewis is ranked #2 in the world and he has a broken back and zero technique.

Are you guys also fans of women's featherweight?

Bah gawd, king.

 

[HereticBD]

What no-name cans did I say that Mir shouldn't be rated higher than?

We had this discussion in the last thread. The names you listed off(they were HW's) were so forgettable that I can't even recall them at the moment.

I have compared him to Leben

Who was never a champion...

And, yeah, obviously the Sylvia armbar was fluky.

 

[Jack V Savage]

HW sucks, always has. You guys arguing about the worst division don't have anything better to do? Derrick Lewis is ranked #2 in the world and he has a broken back and zero technique.

The UFC's HW division in particular sucked when most of the top HWs were not in the UFC.

We had this discussion in the last thread. The names you listed off(they were HW's) were so forgettable that I can't even recall them at the moment.

I have never compared Mir to a no-name can. You also don't have to try to backdoor into my view, as I've made it explicit. Long-time HW gatekeeper type, who peaked in the middle of the top 10.

Who was never a champion...

Irrelevant given the state of the divisions (in Leben's division, the UFC had the vast majority of the top talent, and their champ was *the* champ; in Mir's division, Fedor was the champ).

 

[waiguoren]

The UFC's HW division in particular sucked when most of the top HWs were not in the UFC.

I am aware of that. You were correct, vindicated, whatever. But it's hard to care about such a horrible division.

 

[Fawlty]

Jack is nuts if he thinks that losing an armbar and breaking the guy's forearm on your athletic cup is anything less than standard BJJ technique.

 

[HereticBD]

Jack is nuts if he thinks that losing an armbar and breaking the guy's forearm on your athletic cup is anything less than standard BJJ technique.

Yeah, he "lost" the armbar so badly, that he broke the arm he was barring.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Jack is nuts if he thinks that losing an armbar and breaking the guy's forearm on your athletic cup is anything less than standard BJJ technique.

How many times have you seen people win fights with armbars on the forearm? I think it's nuts to think that that was just how a fight between them could be expected to go.

 

[Fawlty]

Yeah, he "lost" the armbar so badly, that he broke the arm he was barring.

Truly a one of a kind talent! There's a reason we never see armbars like that...and that reason is that Mir is simply on another level, top minus-3 at least, another dimension of greatness.

 

[Fawlty]

How many times have you seen people win fights with armbars on the forearm? I think it's nuts to think that that was just how a fight between them could be expected to go.

Seen? Let's talking about seeing. Vision. Mir. Man of vision. He sees things other MMJJ combatants simply do not see. His eyes, they are the equivalent of Rickson doing yoga breathing on the beach. That's what his eyes do. Also his cup. His cup sees pretty good too.

 

[HereticBD]

Truly a one of a kind talent! There's a reason we never see armbars like that...and that reason is that Mir is simply on another level, top minus-3 at least, another dimension of greatness.

Look, you can say Sylvia almost escaped it. That's fair. However, on no planet did Mir "lose the armbar", when he broke the guys arm, with said armbar.

 

[Fawlty]

Look, you can say Sylvia almost escaped it. That's fair. However, on no planet did Mir "lose the armbar", when he broke the guys arm, with said armbar.

#notafluke

 

[Jack V Savage]

Look, you can say Sylvia almost escaped it. That's fair. However, on no planet did Mir "lose the armbar", when he broke the guys arm, with said armbar.

If they could replay the fight 100 times, how many times do you think that Mir would win by forearm break?

 

[HomerThompson]

If they could replay the fight 100 times, how many times do you think that Mir would win by forearm break?

69, bro!

 

[HereticBD]

If they could replay the fight 100 times, how many times do you think that Mir would win by forearm break?

What is this? Because in a hypothetical 100 fight series, Mir wouldn't win by breaking Sylvia's arm, the armbar was a fluke? You can say that about a billion outcomes of a billion different fights.

C'mon, you're a little better than this desperate, nonsensical reasoning.

 

[Fawlty]

Legend has it that Mir hired a young Alex Caceres to sneak into Miletich's camp and absorb liters of Tim Sylvia's forearm sweat into his afro. He then emptied the sweat into a hallowed basin, and this is where Mir soaked his cup in the days leading up to the fight. It is scientifically unknown whether a cup can develop a taste for a human limb (and whether that constitutes infidelity toward its owner's genitals), but I invite anybody to watch that armbar - that technically correct armbar - and tell me otherwise.

 

[N13]

Hey mang, hey,

So I was watching this Q vid last night and I had a beef with some of the things that were said. You know how it is when I need to speak my mind.....

So this guy responds to me, predictably, and at the end of his rant he tells me to get on the Trump Train.

I said: "Hey facker Benny, HEY! Excuse me but I can think for myself and I got my own train."

 

[Jack V Savage]

What is this? Because in a hypothetical 100 fight series, Mir wouldn't win by breaking Sylvia's arm, the armbar was a fluke? You can say that about a billion outcomes of a billion different fights.

C'mon, you're a little better than this desperate, nonsensical reasoning.

Just trying to get more clarity on your definition of "fluky" to be sure it isn't just a semantic argument. Weird that you'd think a question about your position is "desperate, nonsensical reasoning." Why is this issue so emotional for you?

 

[HereticBD]

Just trying to get more clarity on your definition of "fluky"

By offering a ridiculous unknowable hypothetical, that you can apply to every outcome of every fight ever?

Since you asked though, Mir would win 60 out of 100 times with that exact same armbar, in that exact same scenario, in the exact same round, at the exact same time.

 

[Jack V Savage]

By offering a ridiculous unknowable hypothetical, that you can apply to every outcome of every fight ever?

Kind of?

Since you asked though, Mir would win 60 out of 100 times with that exact same armbar, in that exact same scenario, in the exact same round, at the exact same time.

Not sure why you're so averse to clarifying your own position here. I'm guessing it's because you don't actually disagree with me but your political tribalism even infects your fight analysis.