War Room Lounge v135: Accidental Meme Thread Click

[Captain Davis]

This is a good point. The Confederacy only lasted 5 years, so there was never really any point in those statues being erected.

They mean something to those of us who had ancestors who fought for their beliefs.

 

[Captain Davis]

Lost Cause revisionist bullshit.

Your ignorance is showing.

 

[Sara]

Your ignorance is showing.

Your av is making me feel the heat even more.

 

[Fawlty]

Bud, I never bring this stuff up. But at the same time I will defend my views when challenged.

How are the abs holding up?

 

[Higus]

They mean something to those of us who had ancestors who fought for their beliefs.

The belief that it was okay to own slaves?

 

[Captain Davis]

Lost Cause revisionist bullshit.

“The whole nation is interested that the best use shall be made of these territories. We want them for the homes of free white people.”

~ Abraham Lincoln, October 16, 1854.


“There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people to the idea of indiscriminate amalgamation (mixing) of the white and black races. A Separation of the races is the only perfect preventative of amalgamation, but as an immediate separation is impossible, the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together.”

~ Abraham Lincoln, 1858.


“Is it not rather our duty to make labor more respectable by preventing all black competition, especially in the territories... Negro equality will be abundant, as every white laborer will have occasion to regret when he is elbowed from his plow or his anvil by slave n_____rs.”

~Abraham Lincoln, 1860 campaign speech.

“That all unoccupied territory of the United States and such as they may hereafter acquire shall be reserved for the white Caucasian race, a thing that cannot be except by the exclusion of slavery.”

~ Abolitionist Horace Greeley interpreting the Republican Party Platform, 1856.


“That barring slavery from the territories would give them an opportunity to become what New England is now, namely, a uniquely white and industrious polity.”

~ The New York Tribune.


“I make no war upon the South nor upon slavery in the South. I have no squeamish sensitiveness upon the subject of slavery, nor morbid sympathy for the slave. I plead the cause of the rights of white freemen. I would preserve for free white labor a fair country, a rich inheritance, where the sons of toil, of my own race and own color, can live without the disgrace which association with negro slavery brings upon free labor. I stand for the inviolability of free territory. It shall remain free, so far as my voice or vote can aid in the preservation of its character.”

~ Senator David Wilmont, of Pennsylvania. 29th Congress, 2d sess., 1847, Appendix, p. 317;


“The motive of those who protested against the extension of slavery, always really had been concern for the welfare of the white man, not an unatural sympathy for the Negro.”

• William Seward (James M. McPherson, The Struggle for Equality: Abolitionists and the Negro in the Civil War and Reconstruction (Princeton, 1964), 24)
  
  
  “The whole nation is interested that the best use shall be made of these territories. We want them for the homes of free white people.”
  
  ~ Lincoln, on whether blacks – slave or free – should be allowed in the new territories in the west, October 16, 1854.
  
  
  “I cannot make it better known than it already is, that I favor colonization.”
  
  ~ Lincoln, in a message to Congress, December 1, 1862, supporting deportation of all blacks from America.
  
  
  “President Lincoln may colonize himself if he choose, but it is an impertinent act, on his part, to propose the getting rid of those who are as good as himself.” ~ America’s preeminent immediate Abolitionist and advocate of free trade, William Lloyd Garrison.
  
  
  “Lincoln had not a drop of anti-slavery blood in his veins.”
  
  ~ William Lloyd Garrison.
  
  
  “In the State where I live we do not like Negroes. We do not disguise our dislike. As my friend from Indiana (Mr. Wright) said yesterday, ‘The whole people of the
  
  Northwestern States are, for reasons, whether correct or not, opposed to having many Negroes among them, and that principle or prejudice has been engraved in the legislation of nearly all the Northwestern States.’ “
  
  • Ohio Senator John Sherman, on April 2, 1862.
    
  
  “Keeping slaves out of the West will confine the negro to the South.”
  
  • Abolitionist Charles Elliot of Massachusetts.
    

 

[Lead]

I haven't. Is it good? I agree that the urban/rural divide is real and I'd like to read a treatment that expands on it substantively. Shamefully, I read much less than I used to. I am reading a good book on immigration at the moment, Strangers in Our Midst by David Miller, which a left-leaning friend of mine suggested to me.

I liked it. I think it points out more problems than solutions but that’s a fairly hard problem to solve so expanding on his pitch of what it actually is and why is worth the read.

 

[Sketch]

I’d prefer serious responses......

Use some lotion and stop whining

 

[Captain Davis]

How are the abs holding up?

Not as great as they were. I’m actually trying to put on some more weight. They are still there, just not as visible.

 

[Sara]

Use some lotion and stop whining

I prefer whining


And I am using creams and lotion they are not helping.

 

[Sara]

The belief that it was okay to own slaves?

How do you find out if your ancestors had slaves? I mean without joining ancestry.com

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

@AnGrYcRoW do you know how much I hate that move.

Also fyi your King is on the wrong side of the board.

 

[Rational Poster]

Your ignorance is showing.

Nope, still just yours.

 

[Captain Davis]

The belief that it was okay to own slaves?

The belief of independence from an oppressive central government. Lincoln or anyone outside of the 3% of abolitionists in the North cared Anything about slavery. Unless it was in their backyard. The truth is that the Northerners and people moving into the territories did not want blacks around at all, free or slave. The North also profited greatly from slavery. Lincoln never threatened slavery where it existed. The Republican platform never called to end slavery, it only opposed slavery moving into the territories. The Republican mantra was to reserve the territories for white settlers only.

 

[Trotsky]

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[Rational Poster]

The belief of independence from an oppressive central government. Lincoln or anyone outside of the 3% of abolitionists in the North cared Anything about slavery. Unless it was in their backyard. The truth is that the Northerners and people moving into the territories did not want blacks around at all, free or slave. The North also profited greatly from slavery. Lincoln never threatened slavery where it existed. The Republican platform never called to end slavery, it only opposed slavery moving into the territories. The Republican mantra was to reserve the territories for white settlers only.

 

[sickc0d3r]

I don’t agree with tearing down anything on private property. I think issues like this should be voted on by each individual city. Let the people decide. If statues of whatever are to be removed, they should be relocated to a museum or the like.

Well, that's what I was asking for, your hypothetical "vote" on the matter.

 

[Captain Davis]

Yep. You see racism and slavery were both around before and after the Confederacy. Delaware was actually the last state to ratify the 13th Amendment. Also Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia and Maryland didn’t free their slaves until after the war when the 13th Amendment was passed. These were a Union states.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

@AnGrYcRoW do to you know how much I hate that move.

Also fyi your King is on the wrong side of the board.

The king has claimed that territory as his , the king goes where he pleases .

You fought hard but a bell tolls for thee.

 

[Trotsky]

The Confederacy was only in existence for approximately 5 years. During that time the North was every bit as racist as the South, if not more.

Dude, you can't be serious. How can you even square this revisionist nonsense with the Cornerstone Speech?