War Room Lounge v132: Jack used rhetoric. It’s not very effective...

[The Diplomat]

Now you're just making up a narrative to feel better. You haven't even asked what I actually think. Just assumed my position.

You think America is decent but really shitty because of all the racists that founded it.

Now, what's your take on Modern Day Africa?

 

[The Diplomat]

Just FYI:

https://www.history.com/topics/ancient-greece/ancient-greece-democracy

Don't pull that shit on me after a google you little shister. I know more about history than you.

 

[tonni]

@senri

 

[The Diplomat]

@senri

Shut up he's dead until he's not dead. Then the gooey juices flow.

 

[tonni]

Shut up he's dead until he's not dead. Then the gooey juices flow.

Actually, a corpse excretes quite a lot of fluids.

 

[The Diplomat]

Actually, a corpse excretes quite a lot of fluids.

Only when asked by the sweet, nympho hand of Death.

 

[tonni]

Only when asked by the sweet, nympho hand of Death.

Death is but a night between two days. Do you believe in golems?

 

[The Diplomat]

Death is but a night between two days. Do you believe in golems?

Golems are but...


Ah fuck this. He isn't even here, is he?

 

[Darkballs]

So I just watched Da 5 Bloods, new movie by Spike Lee.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9777644/

My god was it awful. I mean, Spike Lee's had some questionable ones, but I felt he had a couple good hits lately. But christ this one is bad. Part of it was the former Marine in me eye rolling at the terrible "tactics" on display in any action sequence. But the rest was just so bad. Like terrible cheap 80's movie choreography and shit. And the tone was all over the place. It would switch from a serious political tone to almost slapstick action and then back again all in a span of 5 mins in this 2 1/2 hour film.

Can anyone else confirm that I'm not alone here?

 

[Sketch]

The perfect combo of redneck and surfer bro. Notice my illustrious pool and chicken coup in the background by the tomato plants for harvest.

This is...amazing...

 

[The Diplomat]

So I just watched Da 5 Bloods, new movie by Spike Lee.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9777644/

My god was it awful. I mean, Spike Lee's had some questionable ones, but I felt he had a couple good hits lately. But christ this one is bad. Part of it was the former Marine in me eye rolling at the terrible "tactics" on display in any action sequence. But the rest was just so bad. Like terrible cheap 80's movie choreography and shit. And the tone was all over the place. It would switch from a serious political tone to almost slapstick action and then back again all in a span of 5 mins in this 2 1/2 hour film.

Can anyone else confirm that I'm not alone here?

I saw a headline about Spike Lee making a Vietnam movie called Da 5 Bloods and I was like, wait what? I didn't take the title to googs @BarryDillon but I mean, were there really 5 Blood gang members in Vietnam tearing shit up? That sounds entertaining.

 

[The Diplomat]

This is...amazing...

Literally 5 minutes from the ocean, too. I live right next to an island called Carolina Beach, which I used to live on. Total farmer/surfer mixture. So we don't care about racism, as long as we can smoke weed and have fun we don't care what you look like.

 

[Trotsky]

The guy from snl

Pete Davidson?

I'm tough on comedians since I find very few independently funny. But he's solid.

Yes, they did. You're honestly saying there was another country like the United States before the United States?

Name one.

That's a silly line to draw since you could successfully use it to distinguish virtually any quasi-democratic system as revolutionary by virtue of having unique qualities.

But, whether you're talking about democratic value (Athens/Sparta) or libertarian value (England), there wasn't anything all that exceptional imo. English common law was copied over and parliamentary democracy was adjusted to empower white landowners.

What made the US system - basically a liberal aristocracy breaking from a liberal constitutional monarchy - exceptional was the resources available to defend it.

 

[The Diplomat]

Pete Davidson?

I'm tough on comedians since I find very few independently funny. But he's solid.



That's a silly line to draw since you could successfully use it to distinguish virtually any quasi-democratic system as revolutionary by virtue of having unique qualities.

But, whether you're talking about democratic value (Athens/Sparta) or libertarian value (England), there wasn't anything all that exceptional imo.

What made the US system - basically a liberal aristocracy breaking from a liberal constitutional monarchy- exceptional was the resources available to defend it.

So you are saying that that there was nothing like the US before it. We didn't create the idea of democracy, and clearly the founders looked up to the Romans with their political theory and architecture.

But the idea of religious freedom? Freedom of expression, regardless of political or economical power? A law specifically to give civilians the right to arm themselves from government? The fact that the government, from then (1770s) until forever couldn't arrest you or kill you for what you believed and expressed? The right to a just trial?

Those things were NOT around back then, regardless of what Barry and others like to think. Keep shitting on America's history just because it's trendy.

 

[senri]

Actually, a corpse excretes quite a lot of fluids.

 

[The Diplomat]

So you are saying that that there was nothing like the US before it. We didn't create the idea of democracy, and clearly the founders looked up to the Romans with their political theory and architecture.

But the idea of religious freedom? Freedom of expression, regardless of political or economical power? A law specifically to give civilians the right to arm themselves from government? The fact that the government, from then (1770s) until forever couldn't arrest you or kill you for what you believed and expressed? The right to a just trial?

Those things were NOT around back then, regardless of what Barry and others like to think. Keep shitting on America's history just because it's trendy.

@BarryDillon @Trotsky Eh?

 

[Trotsky]

So you are saying that that there was nothing like the US before it. We didn't create the idea of democracy, and clearly the founders looked up to the Romans with their political theory and architecture.

But the idea of religious freedom? Freedom of expression, regardless of political or economical power? A law specifically to give civilians the right to arm themselves from government? The fact that the government, from then (1770s) until forever couldn't arrest you or kill you for what you believed and expressed?

Those things were NOT around back then, regardless of what Barry and others like to think. Keep shitting on America's history just because it's trendy.

Yes, those things were around. The pre-US colonies were just that: colonies. And, frankly, they enjoyed a great deal more autonomy than the colonies they acquired post-independence (or, good lord, the Native Americans). Hell, even to this day our system doesn't grant the rights to political representation to its territories: Puerto Rico, American Samoa, etc. They get taxed without representation and we get final say on their governments.

I mean...yeah, the federalism was novel, but that was again a distinctly aristocratic device.

Also, just google "rights to bear arms." It was not a US invention.

 

[The Diplomat]

Thomas Jefferson

Just gonna reply to this earlier post because from since I was a kid I always considered myself a Jeffersonian democrat. He was for the people. Man literally wrote the Declaration of Independence, and other than Benji Franklin, he was probably the smartest man in the room. Inventor, scholar, diplomat, founder of a nation, ontop of his farming and real estate *cough* which may have had slaves. Every person with a swivel chair infront of their computer has him to thank for it.


But now people are going to shit on him, and I'm taking major issue with that, because I understand nuance and context, historical relevance and how Jefferson actually felt at the time. He truly wanted to end slavery in a time when it was impossible, and still felt burdened until his death that he would leave that issue for future generations of Americans.

But no, he racist, take statue down.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Pete Davidson?

I'm tough on comedians since I find very few independently funny. But he's solid.



That's a silly line to draw since you could successfully use it to distinguish virtually any quasi-democratic system as revolutionary by virtue of having unique qualities.

But, whether you're talking about democratic value (Athens/Sparta) or libertarian value (England), there wasn't anything all that exceptional imo. English common law was copied over and parliamentary democracy was adjusted to empower white landowners.

What made the US system - basically a liberal aristocracy breaking from a liberal constitutional monarchy - exceptional was the resources available to defend it.

He’s terrible

 

[The Diplomat]

Yes, those things were around. The pre-US colonies were just that: colonies. And, frankly, they enjoyed a great deal more autonomy than the colonies they acquired post-independence. Hell, even to this day our system doesn't grant the rights to political representation to its territories: Puerto Rico, American Samoa, etc. They get taxed without representation and we get final say on their governments.

I mean...yeah, the federalism was novel, but that was again a distinctly aristocratic device.

Also, just google "rights to bear arms." It was not a US invention.

So the collective Bill of Rights had been done before?