War Room Lounge V129: Ignored Content Edition

[PolishHeadlock2]

I don't think this will surprise anyone

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

They should just reset everyone to zero every month.

This is a good idea if feasible.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I don't think you're wrong. Trump is a vindictive autocrat wannabe, but he's also a dyed in the wool moron. He's the guy wanging away at a screw with a hammer and wondering why it doesn't go in.

Cruz would bring that same shitty attitude, but also a screwdriver.

Agreed. Cruz is legit smart (Harvard law) but also legit scary (honest and dedicated theocrat).

He'd be like a mix of Pence and Cheney.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

The News van just showed up

 

[MMAisGod]

I've always wanted one but never pulled the trigger before.

I almost bought one when COVID was first causing a shutdown but the store sold out before I got there.

But yeah shit has been popping off in Philly the past couple of days and I don't like what I'm seeing.

Also already have a safe.

I've always wanted one but never pulled the trigger before.

 

[CubicleGangster]

The News van just showed up

give sherdog a shout out

 

[Islam Imamate]

Right we agree on that. I NEVER said just passively voting is enough. That’s a strawman you keep introducing into your replies to me. I consistently mentioned petitioning mayors to change police chiefs, putting forth candidates who hold your ideals, etc. as being integral to the voting process.

I just disagreed with your assertion that, “Voting is probably one of the least significant things you can do to have an impact on politics.” I think the vote is just as important as the other steps.

This only dragged on so long because you attributed a bunch of positions to me that I didn’t say and don’t hold (that voting on its own is enough, that I’m uneasy with protests and discourage them).

This was my original post which you responded to

Voting for what? Ultimately your average citizen has precious little power over what ends up on the ballot and to the extent they can influence it its not through voting itself. This whole "just vote" thing seems to come from people who are uneasy with opposition politics like protesting despite the results those approaches to politics have produced over the course of US history and around the world.

The answer has been echoed time and time again since these racial protests first cropped up; civilian oversight of the police and defunding and demilitarizing them to fund other things like social workers. We depend way too much on the guy with a gun and a badge to solve problems in our communities, maybe he's not always the answer.

to which you said

Of course police aren’t always the answer, but we need police to enforce laws. We need counselors to help reduce drug dependency. We need social workers to help transition people back into the job market or society in general, etc.

But of course voting for local prosecutors, sheriffs and the mayors who appoint police chiefs can make a huge difference. Make your voice heard to those people. Why wouldn’t that work? It’s literally the best way to make changes. Policing, jailing, and prosecution are all primarily local issues effected at the local election level not national ones.

To which I disagreed by pointing out that merely voting, which is what you said in your own words is "literally the best way to make changes", is not nearly enough on its own. You then changed the goalposts to include general grassroots activism which I never denied is important and in fact is precisely why I said voting is not enough on its own because it requires that additional activism so as to exert influence over the ballot itself and allow citizens a meaningful choice instead of a constrained choice produced by the systems of power.

 

[Limbo Pete]

"The right to protest is superceded by the security of the President"
I don't think there is anything in the constitution that would support that notion

There isn't

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

give sherdog a shout out

If they try interviewing me and telling them I've been nervous ever since my buddy Ronnie disappeared

 

[Joe]

The News van just showed up

Gonna be you

 

[CubicleGangster]

There isn't

 

[Andy Capp]

If this was any year but 2020 I'd agree with you

*were


Satisfied @Jack V Savage?

 

[Islam Imamate]

I don't think you're wrong. Trump is a vindictive autocrat wannabe, but he's also a dyed in the wool moron. He's the guy wanging away at a screw with a hammer and wondering why it doesn't go in.

Cruz would bring that same shitty attitude, but also a screwdriver.

That's a good way to put it. Trump is uniquely bad in that he's eroded lots of norms of civility and politics, mostly unintentionally because he was completely ignorant of them in the first place, and Ted Cruz likely would've navigated those norms a bit better. But like you said he'd be more effective at certain other things that would set the country back for everyone in Cruz' outgroup which would be a lot of people.

 

[CubicleGangster]

If they try interviewing me and telling them I've been nervous ever since my buddy Ronnie disappeared

RIP Ronnie

 

[Trotsky]

If this hasn't been posted yet, it's a pretty good microcosm for the dishonesty of right wing politics

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/opinion/tara-reade-believe-all-women.html

 

[Limbo Pete]

The important word you posted there is "superseded". There are of course limits placed on the right to protest, but they have nothing to do with the President specifically.

 

[curryjunkie]

............................

Goddamnit I want one.

of course you do..

 

[Andy Capp]

They should just reset everyone to zero every month.

Yes, I said once a year, but monthly would be great too, weekly even. The problem is they seem to have to take down the whole forum for hours at a time to do it. Do that too often and it gets to be pretty bothersome.

 

[CubicleGangster]

The important word you posted there is "superseded". There are of course limits placed on the right to protest, but they have nothing to do with the President specifically.

Having to copy that typo hurts. I wanted to correct it so badly but decided to let it stay so it mirrored the post I was talking about.

 

[Andy Capp]

My problem is not knowing what that means

I wanted to like this FWIW. LOL'd for real.