War Room Lounge V129: Ignored Content Edition

[Prokofievian]

What? Now you're just being over dramatic. Look, if the President comes to town and the secret service asks you to move from a spot, just move. They're not playing the "sovereign citizen" routine.

Am I? In that case, come up with a counter example wherein the secret service would say ''disperse'' and people would have the right to say ''no.'' It should be easy if I'm being over dramatic. Or, in your opinion, is there never any such right?

Or get in their face, and scream that your rights are being violated. It's your dice roll.

Granted, but irrelevant.

 

[Islam Imamate]

So yeah, voting does also matter.

I never said otherwise so at this point you're arguing just to argue. Probably done here.

 

[MMAisGod]

The issue here I see is this:
Shutting down a protest through a dispersal order must be law enforcement’s last resort. Police may not break up a gathering unless there is a clear and present danger of riot, disorder, interference with traffic, or other immediate threat to public safety.

This is vague and open to interpretation. Some would agree the protest outside the White House would fit that designation, others would not. So it is not as clear cut as Madmick was trying to make it.

I need to seek out more videos of that specific protest to see if it would fit the above designation. The other stuff linked in that post were about separate protests happening in different cities. Someone opening fire in STL does not mean the protest concurrently happening in DC can be considered an immediate threat. I'm open to being shown a video of that specific protest that shows otherwise.

That's true, but it's closest thing I found even when googling myself also. A few things leaning towards authority/power, especially in regards to curfew, but didn't find a doc disallowing authority to remove people. So I'm inclined to believe they didn't break any rules even if immoral, and lean more towards the rules allowing the authority power. I don't think there are any videos though, which makes it much harder to judge based on hearsay. Even worse given that everything is recorded this day and age but somehow this wasn't.

 

[CubicleGangster]

That's true, but it's closest thing I found even when googling myself also. A few things leaning towards authority/power, especially in regards to curfew, but didn't find a doc disallowing authority to remove people. So I'm inclined to believe they didn't break any rules even if immoral, and lean more towards the rules allowing the authority power. I don't think there are any videos though, which makes it much harder to judge based on hearsay. Even worse given that everything is recorded this day and age but somehow this wasn't.

Oh geez, that is unfortunate. I was hoping there was good clips of what was happening at this specific protest. Appreciate the response and linking that post, though. I still feel Trump over stepped, but the legality of what he did is a lot more gray than I initially thought. Still, just because something is legal does not mean it is right.

 

[Rational Poster]

 

[all caps]

you're being dishonest. you make sport of our politics, & shit on real Americans every day. for years.

do you know what TDS means?

Wtf i think the mods deleted my like button

 

[MMAisGod]

Oh geez, that is unfortunate. I was hoping there was good clips of what was happening at this specific protest. Appreciate the response and linking that post, though. I still feel Trump over stepped, but the legality of what he did is a lot more gray than I initially thought. Still, just because something is legal does not mean it is right.

For sure man, good discussion! And yea, if there's anything we've learned is that legal =|= moral lol. To put it mildly.

 

[MMAisGod]

Wtf i think the mods deleted my like button

You probably ran out of likes, they are in limited supply these days. Happened to me a couple of days ago and when I woke up they were back.

 

[Islam Imamate]

It's 100% true, whether it's written or not. You think the secret service is there for show? His security trumps all. And that goes for all Presidents. Always has. This is nothing new. If you present a potential threat for any reason(it could simply be standing in the wrong spot), you will be asked to move, and if you don't, you will be forcefully moved. This isn't a game. They're not playing around. This isn't like when you talk shit to bouncer at a bar, and challenge their authority. This is the President and the secret service. You will do as your told, or face the consequences. It ain't a Trump thing, it's a President thing.

Well just like Mick you're ignoring what the crowd was dispersed for; an entirely unnecessary and awkward photo OP. Trump just arbitrarily uses his authority and power for displays of force for no real purpose and we have sycophants like you who can't help but defend him. Glad you can't actually vote for him, we have enough dumbfucks here who will.

 

[Gregolian]

Well just like Mick you're ignoring what the crowd was dispersed for; an entirely unnecessary and awkward photo OP. Trump just arbitrarily uses his authority and power for displays of force for no real purpose and we have sycophants like you who can't help but defend him. Glad you can't actually vote for him, we have enough dumbfucks here who will.

This is my problem. He basically did this just for a photo op and a dumb one at that.

If they were like outside the door to the White House and he had to leave to go address Congress for some pre-planned thing I could MAYBE get him having Secret Service push them out of the way.

 

[HereticBD]

Well just like Mick you're ignoring what the crowd was dispersed for; an entirely unnecessary and awkward photo OP.

Your opinion on what the President should or shouldn't be doing, is irrelevant. If he goes anywhere, the secret service will be there to make sure he gets there safely. That sometimes requires getting people out of the way. That's it. That's all there is to it.

 

[Chillin' Nuts]

Oh yea, I read about it last night. 100% don't agree with the level of hostility to protesters to take a cutesy picture. It was handled very, very poorly to say the least. I just don't think it's an overstep of authority like has been argued unless I can see it was. If it wasn't, it could be something visited to change in the near future since it's a pretty blatant disregard of citizens space.

I don't think anyone has a problem with your position here.

I just think the proverbial boot-licking by those of conservative bent seems wildly hypocritical given conservative antipathy towards governmental authority.

"He's the President, he does what he wants, deal with it" LOL. I don't recall much of that during the Obama years.

 

[Islam Imamate]

This is my problem. He basically did this just for a photo op and a dumb one at that.

If they were like outside the door to the White House and he had to leave to go address Congress for some pre-planned thing I could MAYBE get him having Secret Service push them out of the way.

Yeah exactly, seems like it was just a display of force for its own sake given how empty the photo OP was. He didn't really say anything, not even a quote from the Bible, and he wasn't even holding it like a normal person. Almost like how a child would hold a book after picking one up the first time.

Your example would be a perfectly legitimate use of force by the POTUS and SS against protestors. But this was a photo OP that honestly even Trump would be better off had it never happened.

Your opinion on what the President should or shouldn't be doing, is irrelevant. If he goes anywhere, the secret service will be there to make sure he gets there safely. That sometimes requires getting people out of the way. That's it. That's all there is to it.

I am not arguing the legality, I'm arguing the morality of it. He used police force to disperse a peaceful protest, that had church leaders btw, for the most meaningless photo OP of the decade. I get the sycophants like you feel he can't do any wrong but its a bad look for anyone who isn't a ride or die Trumpette.

 

[Falsedawn]

Heretic woke up this morning, prayed to his Trump altar, threw on his MCGA hat, and determined that THIS DAY would be the day daddy gave him his cummies.

 

[Gregolian]

Yeah exactly, seems like it was just a display of force for its own sake given how empty the photo OP was. He didn't really say anything, not even a quote from the Bible, and he wasn't even holding it like a normal person. Almost like how a child would hold a book after picking one up the first time.

Your example would be a perfectly legitimate use of force by the POTUS and SS against protestors. But this was a photo OP that honestly even Trump would be better off had it never happened.

The whole thing was him fucking grandstanding the same way a fighter does in MMA. Say someone were to fight Jon Fitch and in the lead up kept ranting about how Fitch can't do stand up fighting and he comes out and attempts to become Hendo. That's basically what Trump did last night.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Heretic woke up this morning, prayed to his Trump altar, threw on his MCGA hat, and determined that THIS DAY would be the day daddy gave him his cummies.

I get that living in a frozen wasteland is probably a bit boring but Canadians need a better national pastime than following American news.

 

[Islam Imamate]

The whole thing was him fucking grandstanding the same way a fighter does in MMA. Say someone were to fight Jon Fitch and in the lead up kept ranting about how Fitch can't do stand up fighting and he comes out and attempts to become Hendo. That's basically what Trump did last night.

Yeah it was clearly for no good reason. If he had least had used the opportunity to do something I could get it, like some short speech to help address the grievances of the nation or at least some kind of reassuring speech with Bible quotes but he couldn't even manage that.

 

[HereticBD]

I am not arguing the legality, I'm arguing the morality of it.

Oh', well fair enough if you don't like it, but this conversation started with the legality of it. To which I'm merely arguing that the President and his secret service have the authority to get people out of the way anywhere they go, by damn near any means necessary. I couldn't care less if you liked the moment, or not. That's not the point.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Oh', well fair enough if you don't like it, but this conversation started with the legality of it. To which I'm merely arguing that the President and his secret service have the authority to get people out of the way anywhere they go, by damn near any means necessary. I couldn't care less if you liked the moment, or not. That's not the point.

Right, let's just ignore the flagrant and wholly unnecessary use of force against peaceful protestors for no good reason because it makes Trump look bad and just needlessly focus on the legality of it.

Man you really are a slimy little snake in the grass.

 

[HereticBD]

Right, let's just ignore the flagrant and wholly unnecessary use of force against peaceful protestors for no good reason because it makes Trump look bad and just needlessly focus on the legality of it.

Man you really are a slimy little snake in the grass.

Yes, less also ignore rioting, looting, and the fact that the same activity has reached the grounds of the White House, where facilities are being burned to the ground, and multiple secret service agents have been injured.

Yes Kafir, very peaceful these protests have been. Absolutely no reason for the secret service to be on edge. Give it a fucking rest.