War Room Lounge V129: Ignored Content Edition

[Andy Capp]

I'm glad sherdog is cool with the repeated calls for killing that has gone on all weekend.

I got a yellow for hyperbole wherein I suggested that if I were in a different universe entirely, under a completely different set of circumstances , I might commit violence against some internet meme person. So I'd love to see all these repeated calls if they didn't result in the same punishment.

 

[Falsedawn]

Lold

https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/20...ting-is-transition-to-freedom/63821050097983/

Rumsfeld: Looting is transition to freedom


WASHINGTON, April 11 (UPI) -- U.S. forces should not be blamed for the lawlessness and looting in Baghdad as it is a natural consequence of the transition from a dictatorship to a free country, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Friday at the Pentagon.

"The task we've got ahead of us now is an awkward one ... It's untidy. And freedom's untidy. And free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. They're also free to live their lives and do wonderful things. And that's what's going to happen here," Rumsfeld said.



"And for suddenly the biggest problem in the world to be looting is really notable."

Rumsfeld said he believes time will take care of the problem in Baghdad, as it seems to have in the southern cities of Umm Qasr and Basra, where looting has largely abated and the streets are back under relative control.

In Qatar on Friday, U.S. military officials said U.S. forces do not intend to crack down on looting in Iraq because it might alienate the Iraqi people they are trying to win over.

"If the coalition simply imposed control on the population, that wouldn't achieve the desired effect. We wouldn't be everywhere and we might also alienate a population that doesn't need to have another regime with a grip around its neck," said Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks, a Central Command spokesman.

 

[LMP]

I got a yellow for hyperbole wherein I suggested that if I were in a different universe entirely, under a completely different set of circumstances , I might commit violence against some internet meme person. So I'd love to see all these repeated calls if they didn't result in the same punishment.

Just read the riot threads my friend, those sort of comments are plentiful.

 

[Gandhi]

I think the doctrine has its place (it's way too strong), but I'd settle for merely not reversing the moral standard completely.

I don’t think qualified immunity is relevant in this latest case is it? He’s been charged with murder, right?

Qualified immunity only should give room for reasonable but mistaken judgements.

My understanding of QI is that unless there is a clear and established precedent or law against it, you presume the government actor is immune from prosecution. It’s been used to allow cops to steal money during searches, beat people without provocation, etc. Maybe there is a better form of it but in its current form it’s hell. I think QI could still be claimed by this POS. Maybe some of the lawyers can jump in.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'm not sure how true that statement is. A week ago, I'd believe it without blinking. Now? Not so sure it's true.

There is a little too much willingness from the left to play apologist for the riots but that's very much related to the hypocritical pearl clutching from the right over the protests/riots. Whenever people try to protest on these issues(police brutality and racism) peacefully they are nitpick to no end so when the chaos breaks out the calls for "peaceful protests" ring hollow when we've seen how America reacts to peaceful protests.

Let's be honest here, the anti-protestors don't actually want peaceful protests because when someone kneels during the anthem or blocks a road America flips out. What they want is for the protestors to go into the middle of the woods and not bother anyone so that nothing changes and no one is inconvenienced by the protests...which defeats the purpose of them.

Lold

https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/20...ting-is-transition-to-freedom/63821050097983/

"And for suddenly the biggest problem in the world to be looting is really notable."

Couldn't have said it better myself Don.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Not linking a meltdown is fascism.

The mods must have deleted it because it was so "real," but I actually just saw it as something that @AgonyandIrony quoted. It was a whole paragraph about how "Blacks are the most criminal, violent, and murderous group on Earth and there are no comparisons..."

Here's a few other similar gems from him:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...f-george-floyd.4110609/page-24#post-160409240

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...f-george-floyd.4110609/page-31#post-160412224

Haiti was handed to black people "on plate," you guys.




Approaching Turner Diaries-level of ignorance and bigotry.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Everything. Murder, rape, robbery, etc. It was the wild west even up through the 90s.

Bad Lieutenant

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I'm ok man

Yeah, but you don't have any friends here.



Seriously though, the bar keeps getting set lower and lower to where your level of right wingism is actually tolerable simply because it's not vulgar.

 

[MMAisGod]

What makes you believe that most people want to see cities burning?

People I know and my wife knows IRL that I thought I understood their positions, have openly told me that the destruction of businesses during riots is necessary because peaceful protests weren't working. That this is the only way voices will be heard. Not even a race thing either, even white people I have known for years are saying it. Considering the convos, I'd have never even began to think they would defend that. If we weren't so close, they probably wouldn't say it as openly to others they don't know as well. Throw in the social media hive mind nonsense, plus the lack of some to openly condemn the violence during the protest, and I think it's a lot closer to the center than is being given credit.

There is a little too much willingness from the left to play apologist for the riots but that's very much related to the hypocritical pearl clutching from the right over the protests/riots. Whenever people try to protest on these issues(police brutality and racism) peacefully they are nitpick to no end so when the chaos breaks out the calls for "peaceful protests" ring hollow when we've seen how America reacts to peaceful protests.

Let's be honest here, the anti-protestors don't actually want peaceful protests because when someone kneels during the anthem or blocks a road America flips out. What they want is for the protestors to go into the middle of the woods and not bother anyone so that nothing changes and no one is inconvenienced by the protests...which defeats the purpose of them.

When this issue first happened, it was the first time I could remember that everyone, from every position, every race, universally condemned what happened. Full agreement on all fronts. That turned into riots, then violence within riots, that has faded some of the sympathy away. If peaceful protests aren't working, that doesn't mean the alternative is to burn down your own community. That's ignorance. If the "protesting" was restricted to attacking police stations, courthouses, and politicians houses or whatever, I'm willing to bet the reaction to them would be vastly different than pretending it's perfectly okay to KO white girls walking down the street for being white and burn down mom-n-pops.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I tried to report a whole thread , nothing was done to my knowledge.

Personally, I'm fine with these people outing themselves as the scumbags they are.

I wanna be able to identify who's a piece of shit and to what extent.

 

[Limbo Pete]

My understanding of QI is that unless there is a clear and established precedent or law against it, you presume the government actor is immune from prosecution. It’s been used to allow cops to steal money during searches, beat people without provocation, etc. Maybe there is a better form of it but in its current form it’s hell. I think QI could still be claimed by this POS. Maybe some of the lawyers can jump in.

I think it's a huge component of the anger and disconnect people have with police nationwide. Qualified immunity is behind so many utterly bullshit times that cops have gotten away with abuses of power so extreme that they make wide ranging headlines. Furthermore, I think the results of applying it in such fucked up ways has contributed to ever-present-but-less-than-articulated norms that assume police corruption and brutality will go unpunished without extreme efforts and really exaggerated guilt.

 

[Prokofievian]

The mods must have deleted it because it was so "real," but I actually just saw it as something that @AgonyandIrony quoted. It was a whole paragraph about how "Blacks are the most criminal, violent, and murderous group on Earth and there are no comparisons..."

Here's a few other similar gems from him:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...f-george-floyd.4110609/page-24#post-160409240

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...f-george-floyd.4110609/page-31#post-160412224

Haiti was handed to black people "on plate," you guys.




Approaching Turner Diaries-level of ignorance and bigotry.

All the posts were deleted. Some mod beat me to the punch.

 

[Sketch]

Personally, I'm fine with these people outing themselves as the scumbags they are.

I wanna be able to identify who's a piece of shit and to what extent.

As of now, who would you say is king piece of shit? Who else are high ranking members?

 

[LMP]

People I know and my wife knows IRL that I thought I understood their positions, have openly told me that the destruction of businesses during riots is necessary because peaceful protests weren't working. That this is the only way voices will be heard. Not even a race thing either, even white people I have known for years are saying it. Considering the convos, I'd have never even began to think they would defend that. If we weren't so close, they probably wouldn't say it as openly to others they don't know as well. Throw in the social media hive mind nonsense, plus the lack of some to openly condemn the violence during the protest, and I think it's a lot closer to the center than is being given credit.



When this issue first happened, it was the first time I could remember that everyone, from every position, every race, universally condemned what happened. Full agreement on all fronts. That turned into riots, then violence within riots, that has faded some of the sympathy away. If peaceful protests aren't working, that doesn't mean the alternative is to burn down your own community. That's ignorance. If the "protesting" was restricted to attacking police stations, courthouses, and politicians houses or whatever, I'm willing to bet the reaction to them would be vastly different than pretending it's perfectly okay to KO white girls walking down the street for being white and burn down mom-n-pops.

Riots are a direct result of protest going unheard, there is no doubt about that. A lot of the looting and property destruction is not people looking to make their voices heard, but rather opportunist taking advantage of the situation. Throughout history though, riots have happened when the people feel that protesting hasn't worked. It is what is is.

If change comes from these riots are they really wrong? I dont know the answer. America is a result of rioting and rebellion. To simply say rioting isnt right, I dont know if that's true. The state has sided and protected police for a long time. Things need to change. I hate seeing political violence in my nation and wish it wasnt happening. My heart goes out to those effected by these riots.

 

[Pseudo Sane]

Weren't IQ tests at least semi proven to be a joke?

I was under the impression that IQ tests are pretty robust as far as accuracy goes. Never looked into it that closely, though.

In what way were they proven a joke?

 

[Islam Imamate]

When this issue first happened, it was the first time I could remember that everyone, from every position, every race, universally condemned what happened. Full agreement on all fronts. That turned into riots, then violence within riots, that has faded some of the sympathy away. If peaceful protests aren't working, that doesn't mean the alternative is to burn down your own community. That's ignorance. If the "protesting" was restricted to attacking police stations, courthouses, and politicians houses or whatever, I'm willing to bet the reaction to them would be vastly different than pretending it's perfectly okay to KO white girls walking down the street for being white and burn down mom-n-pops.

Sure I don't agree with looting or wanton violence but again we've seen that the legal system itself won't really be moved until at least a few windows are smashed. Time and time again we see that the cops won't hold their own accountable until public outrage escalates so if anything the PDs themselves are incentivizing this by only daring to go after bad cops once the public has had enough. Blame the cops for covering for each other and abusing citizens and their authority.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

All the posts were deleted. Some mod beat me to the punch.

I can see them just fine

Post #1

"Your violence"

"We have the right to fight back"



Blacks are the most violent and murderous group of people in America, both against fellow blacks and people from other races, and it isn't even close. In fact, when you look at the cold hard statistics, the disparity is nothing short of staggering and a national epidemic. But don't dare mention that, even now as a rabid mob burns down the homes and businesses of ordinary working class people in their own community, people are cheering them on. Always the victim, outraged by everything and ashamed of nothing.


Post #2

Can't build their own countries which are all dysfunctional, third world shit holes and always have been. Can't even maintain a high functioning civilization with everything you could ever need when it's handed to them on a plate, like Haiti, Zimbabwe, South Africa etc. But they built America and pretty much all of Western civilization. Yep, sounds feasible.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

As of now, who would you say is king piece of shit? Who else are high ranking members?

Competition is fierce at the moment. Dozens and dozens racing for that #1 spot.

 

[The Diplomat]

Sure I don't agree with looting or wanton violence but again we've seen that the legal system itself won't really be moved until at least a few windows are smashed. Time and time again we see that the cops won't hold their own accountable until public outrage escalates so if anything the PDs themselves are incentivizing this by only daring to go after bad cops once the public has had enough. Blame the cops for covering for each other and abusing citizens and their authority.

This cop was held accountable, though...the system worked.

 

[Islam Imamate]

This cop was held accountable, though...the system worked.

After people had already taken to the streets and after he was filmed. If he wasn't filmed do you think he would've been equally as likely to have been fired and charged? Let's be honest, we all know the answer to that question.