War Room Lounge V129: Ignored Content Edition

[MMAisGod]

Riots are a direct result of protest going unheard, there is no doubt about that. A lot of the looting and property destruction is not people looking to make their voices heard, but rather opportunist taking advantage of the situation. Throughout history though, riots have happened when the people feel that protesting hasn't worked. It is what is is.

If change comes from these riots are they really wrong? I dont know the answer. America is a result of rioting and rebellion. To simply say rioting isnt right, I dont know if that's true. The state has sided and protected police for a long time. Things need to change. I hate seeing political violence in my nation and wish it wasnt happening. My heart goes out to those effected by these riots.

It is, for sure. With people being opportunistic, those who do want their voices heard will sit by and watch it happen, in the name of greater good. Those guys ransacking the train could care less about George. That is not so different than a trash cop doing trash things, and being covered for by trash peers. The main difference is position of power. I'm just surprised more people than expected, at least that I expected, are so comfortable with the violence parts of it as a "collateral damage" argument. Time will tell, but I'm doubtful that it will be more than a passing moment if we don't start talking about the goals for change soon, what we are looking to do, rather focusing on being upset.

Well that's a matter of perspective. Read the PM we have, I shared someone very close to me affected by the riots in there. Don't really wanna share that publicly. If you ask them that question, they'd cry and say absolutely it's wrong. If you ask others who are affected to a lesser extent, it's easier for them to say it's a means to an end.

Sure I don't agree with looting or wanton violence but again we've seen that the legal system itself won't really be moved until at least a few windows are smashed. Time and time again we see that the cops won't hold their own accountable until public outrage escalates so if anything the PDs themselves are incentivizing this by only daring to go after bad cops once the public has had enough. Blame the cops for covering for each other and abusing citizens and their authority.

This part I agree in full. If the goal was to terrorize as many police cars, precincts, etc as possible I'd be all in. We need officers to maintain law and order, but they have probably been one of if not the biggest perpetrators of corruption in regards to policing their own. To be fair, there have been many improvements over the years, but I think it's a damage is done type of deal with recurring injustice always rearing it's head, clear privileged-based procedures when at fault, etc. If anything needs to come from this, the spotlight needs to be used for an improved oversight over the force, transparency that most can feel comfortable agreeing with going forward.

 

[The Diplomat]

After people had already taken to the streets and after he was filmed. If he wasn't filmed do you think he would've been equally as likely to have been fired and charged? Let's be honest, we all know the answer to that question.

What's the answer, though? Police departments have been adapting with body cams, etc. I'd like a perfect world where no wrongful deaths happen, and if they do, their buddies wont look out for them, but to me, voting seems to have much more effect than rioting and looting.

 

[My Spot]

Most protest movements are fueled by many grievances but are set off by a specific event or policy.

They got arrested two months after the fact after the DA tried to cover for them because the dad was a retired cop, its a perfect example of what I was talking about. If anything it shows that the legal system will try to avoid holding cops accountable even after they've retired and aren't acting as an officer.

They got arrested when the video came out...just like I said.

 

[My Spot]

Quote me on where I said I was ok with rioting. Just more of the general bullshit that you puke up all over the place.

 

[My Spot]

What happens if nobody happens to be filming ?

 

[LMP]

Your the one that spends all day posting stupid shit.

 

[Higus]

There's a tweet for everything

 

[Islam Imamate]

They got arrested when the video came out...just like I said.

So great, thanks for proving my point that action is only taken when video is released.

 

[Andy Capp]

There's always a time to stand up and fight, people just disagree when that is. I said to the poster JoneBones that, if push ever came to shove, all these boogaloo fuckers would turn into black hundreds in a heart beat. I'm a lot closer to the mark on that one than he was.



I think you injected the wrong marijuana. I'm not arguing with you, I'm expounding, because you asked me to.

No, I know. I'm just venting about the weird way my brain is working ATM.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

People I know and my wife knows IRL that I thought I understood their positions, have openly told me that the destruction of businesses during riots is necessary because peaceful protests weren't working. That this is the only way voices will be heard. Not even a race thing either, even white people I have known for years are saying it. Considering the convos, I'd have never even began to think they would defend that. If we weren't so close, they probably wouldn't say it as openly to others they don't know as well. Throw in the social media hive mind nonsense, plus the lack of some to openly condemn the violence during the protest, and I think it's a lot closer to the center than is being given credit.



When this issue first happened, it was the first time I could remember that everyone, from every position, every race, universally condemned what happened. Full agreement on all fronts. That turned into riots, then violence within riots, that has faded some of the sympathy away. If peaceful protests aren't working, that doesn't mean the alternative is to burn down your own community. That's ignorance. If the "protesting" was restricted to attacking police stations, courthouses, and politicians houses or whatever, I'm willing to bet the reaction to them would be vastly different than pretending it's perfectly okay to KO white girls walking down the street for being white and burn down mom-n-pops.

Sure I don't agree with looting or wanton violence but again we've seen that the legal system itself won't really be moved until at least a few windows are smashed. Time and time again we see that the cops won't hold their own accountable until public outrage escalates so if anything the PDs themselves are incentivizing this by only daring to go after bad cops once the public has had enough. Blame the cops for covering for each other and abusing citizens and their authority.

Seeing people defend looting and violence is retarded and reactionary but I also think you so have to separate the protests from the riots. I think anyone that's been paying attention has seen a lot of videos of protesters trying to stop rioters.

We've also seen enough sports championships parades to see that if we have large enough mass gatherings where the cops can't control people rioting is going to happen from those that want to take advantage of the situation.

It seems to be more of unfortunate by product.

Who remembers how crazy the Vancouver riots were? Dudes slap shotting tear gas canisters back at the cops

 

[Lead]

I'm glad sherdog is cool with the repeated calls for killing that has gone on all weekend.

This is what I'm talking about , it should have been nipped in the bud , it's batshit in some of those threads .

I know at least five posters who’ve been carded for at this point for this. We’ve put a mod note up in the protest thread saying it isn’t acceptable. Just because you see a post saying that, doesn’t mean the site is okay with it.

 

[Islam Imamate]

What's the answer, though? Police departments have been adapting with body cams, etc. I'd like a perfect world where no wrongful deaths happen, and if they do, their buddies wont look out for them, but to me, voting seems to have much more effect than rioting and looting.

Voting for what? Ultimately your average citizen has precious little power over what ends up on the ballot and to the extent they can influence it its not through voting itself. This whole "just vote" thing seems to come from people who are uneasy with opposition politics like protesting despite the results those approaches to politics have produced over the course of US history and around the world.

The answer has been echoed time and time again since these racial protests first cropped up; civilian oversight of the police and defunding and demilitarizing them to fund other things like social workers. We depend way too much on the guy with a gun and a badge to solve problems in our communities, maybe he's not always the answer.

 

[The Diplomat]

Voting for what? Ultimately your average citizen has precious little power over what ends up on the ballot and to the extent they can influence it its not through voting itself. This whole "just vote" thing seems to come from people who are uneasy with opposition politics like protesting despite the results those approaches to politics have produced over the course of US history and around the world.

The answer has been echoed time and time again since these racial protests first cropped up; civilian oversight of the police and defunding and demilitarizing them to fund other things like social workers. We depend way too much on the guy with a gun and a badge to solve problems in our communities, maybe he's not always the answer.

So, less police. Interesting idea.

 

[LMP]

I know at least five posters who’ve been carded for at this point for this. We’ve put a mod note up in the protest thread saying it isn’t acceptable. Just because you see a post saying that, doesn’t mean the site is okay with it.

Trump did sign an executive order that social media sites are liable for the content of its users.

 

[Lead]

Trump did sign an executive order that social media sites are liable for the content of its users.

Well the end is nigh I suppose.

 

[Islam Imamate]

So, less police. Interesting idea.

Its worth a shot. I mean, let's recall that time a cop killed a woman when he was supposed to be performing a wellness check. How does that even make sense? You're supposed to be there to see if she's okay and you gun her down? So maybe in hindsight it didn't make sense to send someone whose whole job is centered around using force against criminals and whose primarily tools are handcuffs and a gun to perform a wellness check.

How often do police have to deal with the mentally ill? Does it make sense to send someone with more experience at the range than training to deal with mental illness for such tasks? Its actually kind of unfair to police themselves when we rely on them for stuff they're clearly not qualified to handle.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Hey hold this for a second so I can torture you.

 

[LMP]

Hey hold this for a second so I can torture you.

Police acting like this will surely help cool the political temperament.

 

[Sketch]

Hey hold this for a second so I can torture you.

Never touch another mans stick.

 

[Sketch]