War Room Lounge V129: Ignored Content Edition

[Islam Imamate]

Yeah I’m not saying protests don’t have their place. You need to organize people to make them get out and vote for change.

I think being arrested for murder is a stronger deterrent than seeing cars you don’t own set on fire. Destroying property only hurts the overall cause of improving policing because it wastes resources; it doesn’t make any officers do anything except push back stronger.

Riots don’t send any message about use of force, they justify use of force. The arrests send the message.

Right but feels like more often than not these cops don't get arrested until a few windows are smashed. At some point the cops have to wise up and be proactive about holding their own accountable, not waiting for riots to erupt before doing so.

Disorganized riots I don't support but like I said if you want to send a message by breaking some shit in a dedicated campaign I am okay with that. But mostly what citizens should do is constantly film these cops, never let them feel like the eye of the citizen isn't on them. And agitate against laws that try to restrict our freedom to police the police in this way. In fact I'd love to see a citizen's arrest of a corrupt cop, if that could happen once or twice that could send a message better than the riots.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Seriously though what the fuck is wrong with 2020? It’s been rough on a personal level too, anyone else?

Barcelona and southern France for Spring Break here. Shit shut down 2 days before I departed.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Reading through the Riots thread and holy shit, some of these right-wingers are truly becoming unhinged. It's not Stormfront Lite any more, it's regular Stormfront. That It's Hard to Tell dude just went bonkers, for one.

This whole thing is hitting them hard. Check on you racist friends, bros. They're not ok.

 

[Joe]

Reading through the Riots thread and holy shit, some of these right-wingers are truly becoming unhinged. It's not Stormfront Lite any more, it's regular Stormfront. That It's Hard to Tell dude just went bonkers, for one.

This whole thing is hitting them hard. Check on you racist friends, bros. They're not ok.

Right wingers: it's government oppression to make us wear masks to a store
Also right wingers: it's time for the government to mow down protesters

 

[Prokofievian]

Reading through the Riots thread and holy shit, some of these right-wingers are truly becoming unhinged. It's not Stormfront Lite any more, it's regular Stormfront. That It's Hard to Tell dude just went bonkers, for one.

This whole thing is hitting them hard. Check on you racist friends, bros. They're not ok.

Not linking a meltdown is fascism.

 

[Fawlty]

And then there is reinforcement learning, where you only get some positive or negative feedback sporadically. The model is that you have an agent, a state, and a set of actions that the agent can take. With each state, action pair, there is a reward associated to it (that reward could be 0). The objective of the agent is to collect as much reward as possible. Older rewards get discounted, which opens up the possibility that, after a bit of searching, the agent would select a policy that is immediately negative, but ends up with a higher total reward after it's all said and done. What is then tricky is typically how to search the state action pairs, which is done with a variety of stochastic approaches (random sampling, stochastic gradient, simulated annealing etc.).

Very "sac my bishop on move 8 in a known line" stuff there. At first I was completely knocked over that a reinforcement learning program would come up with that, but after looking at the game a little more thoughtfully, the rewards were not far from the sacrifice, and all lines favored the sacrifice bigly. So I guess rather than my initial impression of machines getting ready to accidentally the whole human race, it's probably more the case that the sacrifice was reasonable and simply overlooked for the last few centuries because of how anti-human it is.

 

[Fawlty]

seen on twitter....
"103k dead, pandemic still raging, cities across America burning, National Guard helicopters flying into cities to battle citizens, and #BunkerBoy Trump hiding with the lights out. This is pretty much how I always envisioned year four of a Trump presidency to be."

Seems about right lol.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Yeah I’m not saying protests aren’t appropriate and helpful. You need to organize people to make them get out and vote for change. You need to make the voices heard.

But I think being arrested for murder is a much stronger deterrent than seeing cars you don’t own set on fire. Destroying property only hurts the overall cause of improving policing because it wastes resources; it doesn’t make any officers do anything except push back stronger.

Riots don’t send any message about use of force, they justify use of force. The arrests send the message.

 

[Andy Capp]

I'm just saying that this is the major approach to the problem, and highlighting some methods that are used to tackle it. As you say in your original post, the main problem is that you don't ultimately know the distribution of the rewards, you have to estimate it, and you don't know when you're done estimating. Which is where things like monte carlo or stochastic gradient come up. This is the approach that AlphaGo takes, so yes it has been ''proven'' to work. In that, machine learning works in a domain of difficult and intractible problems, so proving that something will always work is not usually the done thing.

Alright, I'll rephrase. Has it been shown to work in a practical application? If yes,
Very cool. I hope I'm not coming across as obtuse by prodding so much.

 

[Sketch]

Reading through the Riots thread and holy shit, some of these right-wingers are truly becoming unhinged. It's not Stormfront Lite any more, it's regular Stormfront. That It's Hard to Tell dude just went bonkers, for one.

This whole thing is hitting them hard. Check on you racist friends, bros. They're not ok.

I'm ok man

 

[Prokofievian]

Very "sac my bishop on move 8 in a known line" stuff there. At first I was completely knocked over that a reinforcement learning program would come up with that, but after looking at the game a little more thoughtfully, the rewards were not far from the sacrifice, and all lines favored the sacrifice bigly. So I guess rather than my initial impression of machines getting ready to accidentally the whole human race, it's probably more the case that the sacrifice was reasonable and simply overlooked for the last few centuries because of how anti-human it is.

It's pretty human though, I thought. Just completely overlooked. It strikes me as quite similar to that GP line I mentioned. You even get the pawn on d6 in some lines, which is a real bone in the throat of black. That was such a cool game though.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Right but feels like more often than not these cops don't get arrested until a few windows are smashed. At some point the cops have to wise up and be proactive about holding their own accountable, not waiting for riots to erupt before doing so.

Disorganized riots I don't support but like I said if you want to send a message by breaking some shit in a dedicated campaign I am okay with that. But mostly what citizens should do is constantly film these cops, never let them feel like the eye of the citizen isn't on them. And agitate against laws that try to restrict our freedom to police the police in this way. In fact I'd love to see a citizen's arrest of a corrupt cop, if that could happen once or twice that could send a message better than the riots.

It feels that way? Lol no offense but you don’t understand the process needed to make an arrest for even a minor crime, let alone a major one. There’s a reason citizens aren’t making too many arrests. Do you know how to get a judicial declaration of probable cause, get your case to the prosecutor and get a conviction? Even police can’t just detain somebody without a judge’s approval. Chauvin was arrested about as quickly as can happen.

Cops already are and have been filmed constantly. The fact is that a fatality occurs in .00009% of arrests according to 2018 statistics. Yeah, Chauvin should have been canned long ago probably, based on his prior complaints. That’s an issue. Accountability is an issue that needs to improve. I support independent civilian oversight boards for review of internal affairs actions, which we do have here.

I don’t think going “Wild West” on everything is the way, I certainly don’t see citizens arrests as being safer as we just saw in Georgia. And as we saw there, the issue was with the prosecutor’s office refusing to take appropriate action and lack of civilian oversight.

 

[Prokofievian]

Alright, I'll rephrase. Has it been shown to work in a practical application? If yes,
Very cool. I hope I'm not coming across as obtuse by prodding so much.

Yes. Robotics is all in on this stuff.

 

[Andy Capp]

Very "sac my bishop on move 8 in a known line" stuff there. At first I was completely knocked over that a reinforcement learning program would come up with that, but after looking at the game a little more thoughtfully, the rewards were not far from the sacrifice, and all lines favored the sacrifice bigly. So I guess rather than my initial impression of machines getting ready to accidentally the whole human race, it's probably more the case that the sacrifice was reasonable and simply overlooked for the last few centuries because of how anti-human it is.

I would be interested in a repost of a link to this game. And if you felt up to it, I'd love to hear you explain in detail "all lines favored the sacrifice bigly". It would either be way over my head or I would learn a great deal from it. Up to you, though. No pressure.

 

[My Spot]

Right but feels like more often than not these cops don't get arrested until a few windows are smashed. At some point the cops have to wise up and be proactive about holding their own accountable, not waiting for riots to erupt before doing so.

Disorganized riots I don't support but like I said if you want to send a message by breaking some shit in a dedicated campaign I am okay with that. But mostly what citizens should do is constantly film these cops, never let them feel like the eye of the citizen isn't on them. And agitate against laws that try to restrict our freedom to police the police in this way. In fact I'd love to see a citizen's arrest of a corrupt cop, if that could happen once or twice that could send a message better than the riots.

The nationwide looting and rioting started after the cop had been arrested and charged though.

 

[Fawlty]

I would be interested in a repost of a link to this game. And if you felt up to it, I'd love to hear you explain in detail "all lines favored the sacrifice bigly". It would either be way over my head or I would learn a great deal from it. Up to you, though. No pressure.

I'm going off this video:




He goes into tons of detail, but after 10 minutes you have the idea of just how good the sacrifice is.

 

[Andy Capp]

Yes. Robotics is all in on this stuff.

Then I guess it's a good thing they didn't need me to think of it for them LOL

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Reading through the Riots thread and holy shit, some of these right-wingers are truly becoming unhinged. It's not Stormfront Lite any more, it's regular Stormfront. That It's Hard to Tell dude just went bonkers, for one.

This whole thing is hitting them hard. Check on you racist friends, bros. They're not ok.

I tried to report a whole thread , nothing was done to my knowledge.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

I do see some disgusting fat bodies there. Philly is a fat city though, yeah? Americans are just fat though in general I guess

 

[My Spot]

I tried to report a whole thread , nothing was done to my knowledge.

You tried to report a whole thread?