War Room Lounge v114: Now I really want a Cinnabon. Thanks a--hole.

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Falsedawn said:
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You know what else operates on a pyramid system based on Babylonian philosophies and symbolism? Street gangs like the ones you want to fund.
 
TheComebackKid said:
They should do a sitcome centered around the true natures of men and women. Like the real ones...not the bs weve been taught gor the last 60 yrs.
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What do you feel those real natures are?

The only inaccurate depiction I can think of is that most people aren't good and don't have a strong sense of guilt like is depicted in television.
 
Lol. Disney/ESPN execs told Dana to fuck off with trying to run ufc 249 on tribal land during the shutdown
 
From Corey Robin:

So one of the "big" items here is that Biden is now proposing to lower the Medicare eligibility age from 65 to 60. I wish someone smarter about policy/politics could walk me through this. Obama was elected in 2008 with an unprecedented, by recent standards, party control over Congress. Having refused to back single payer, his big item was the public option. That's what we were all supposed to get excited by. When the time came, conservative Democrats and Republicans in the Senate made sure that the public option wouldn't get to 60 votes, so it was dropped. And we got Obamacare. We were all supposed to both rally and cheer for Obama and the Dems, and gnash our teeth at the Republicans and the more conservative Dems. Now we come to 2020. Let's say—big if—Biden is elected in November. I don't think anyone anticipates him winning nearly the majority in the Senate that Obama got. But let's say there's a slight Democratic majority (another big if). So now the opening bid is lowering Medicare from 65 to 60. With not even Joe Manchin providing the marginal vote, but someone like Susan Collins (if she's reelected). Let's say there's even discussions about this. And let's say the negotiated outcome (again, even this is fantastical), is: lowering Medicare eligibility from 65 to...what? 63? Because the rule of politics is you never get 100% of what you want. And then we cheer Biden and the Dems, and gnash our teeth at the Republicans, while suffering through the second wave of coronavirus, preparing for the next climate change event, and... I'm not saying I have the alternative. Bernie lost the primary. And who knows what he would have achieved had he won the primary and the election (another big if). Though at least if Bernie had won, and then couldn't get Medicare For All through Congress (as seems likely), there would have been: a) something to rally around during the midterm election; b) a stronger opening bid from which to compromise. But our sense of political time is not keeping up with actual time, and I find the euphoria of complacency and incrementalism totally mystifying. The only way I can explain it, when I see it, is that the people who are succumbing to it somehow believe they will be untouched by the growing disparity between political time and real time, that they will be able to escape, as some are now doing to the Hamptons and elsewhere. Otherwise, I'm at a loss.

@kpt018 thoughts?
 
TheComebackKid said:
Yes, when its comes to truth and wisdom you guys are like little children in my eyes. No amount of trolling, insults, or gifs are going to change that.
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do you have a youtube channel?

or any platform where you are spreading your truths & wisdom?
 
Hmm, I didn't know Chris Cuomo and Andrew Cuomo were brothers until today.

And now that I see their faces side by side, I'm embarrassed that I didn't realize it.
 
Trotsky said:
The only inaccurate depiction I can think of is that most people aren't good and don't have a strong sense of guilt like is depicted in television.
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Do you think most people are good? I don't think so. Most people will look out for themselves, their own interests, or their own instincts, regardless of circumstances around that. It's how you get a guy getting stabbed and laying there on the sidewalk in NYC while everyone steps around him for almost 2 hours until he eventually just dies. Or people/businesses of all sizes being caught attempting to price gouge toilet paper/sanitizer/paper towels/etc the last month in a time of need. Or people being mauled and stomped to death so some guy or chick can grab a tv on Black Friday. Or humanities infatuation with never-ending war for all eternity since the dawn of man. Or why your main man Bernie Sanders has an integrity level that is rare among people with power. Etc. People can do good, but I don't think humans are naturally good at all.

Trotsky said:
Hmm, I didn't know Chris Cuomo and Andrew Cuomo were brothers until today.
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:eek:

Now however, it makes sense.
 
TheComebackKid said:
Yes, when its comes to truth and wisdom you guys are like little children in my eyes. No amount of trolling, insults, or gifs are going to change that.
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Bro, have you thought about starting your own cult? I'm not even joking. You're about 60% of the way there.

-I have a unique understanding of the world that no one else has

-I have more knowledge about the "truth" than anyone

-People call me crazy but I don't care

-A bunch of mumbo jumbo about the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Masons

All you need is charisma, good oratory and communication skills. I don't know you personally so you may have those qualities in real life.

But if you do, you're set. Start bringing in the confused, the lonely, the uneducated and start grifting away.
 
Trotsky said:
Hmm, I didn't know Chris Cuomo and Andrew Cuomo were brothers until today.

And now that I see their faces side by side, I'm embarrassed that I didn't realize it.
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They fight like siblings, too
 
MMAisGod said:
Do you think most people are good? I don't think so. Most people will look out for themselves, their own interests, or their own instincts, regardless of circumstances around that. It's how you get a guy getting stabbed and laying there on the sidewalk in NYC while everyone steps around him for almost 2 hours until he eventually just dies. Or people/businesses of all sizes being caught attempting to price gouge toilet paper/sanitizer/paper towels/etc the last month in a time of need. Or people being mauled and stomped to death so some guy or chick can grab a tv on Black Friday. Or humanities infatuation with never-ending war for all eternity since the dawn of man. Or why your main man Bernie Sanders has an integrity level that is rare among people with power. Etc. People can do good, but I don't think humans are naturally good at all.
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No, I don't think it's even a discussion. Humans are not naturally good.

In my opinion, being good is something that is achieved through introspection and empathy, but also, and most of all, learning and humbling oneself to knowledge.

That's why the "street rat with a heart of gold" trope from early American cinema, channeling Zizek's critique, was always so awful. Poverty and limited access to knowledge and the insights of others do not breed noble men.

World political history and the cyclical rise of incompetent and brutal nationalists and brutes that scapegoat others constantly remind us the core selfish cruelty of people.


Now however, it makes sense.
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Watch their interview from today. It's hilarious.
 
MMAisGod said:
Do you think most people are good? I don't think so. Most people will look out for themselves, their own interests, or their own instincts, regardless of circumstances around that. It's how you get a guy getting stabbed and laying there on the sidewalk in NYC while everyone steps around him for almost 2 hours until he eventually just dies. Or people/businesses of all sizes being caught attempting to price gouge toilet paper/sanitizer/paper towels/etc the last month in a time of need. Or people being mauled and stomped to death so some guy or chick can grab a tv on Black Friday. Or humanities infatuation with never-ending war for all eternity since the dawn of man. Or why your main man Bernie Sanders has an integrity level that is rare among people with power. Etc. People can do good, but I don't think humans are naturally good at all.
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I think most people wouldn't leave their GF to get date raped either.
 
@MMAisGod, I like this by Kurt Vonnegut:

I said Susan Sontag’s principal gifts to our civilization were not that easily packaged, but were a brilliant, non-stop commentary on contemporary art practices and their effects on our emotions. She did get off one sound bite in an interview on television, which was to me a stunning sermon in and of itself. She was asked what she had learned from the Holocaust, and she said that 10 percent of any population is cruel, no matter what, and that 10 percent is merciful, no matter what, and that the remaining 80 percent could be moved in either direction.
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People are naturally social--we form relationships, we naturally emphathize with others, we like people and want to be liked, etc. But we're lazy as hell, and we're pretty good at finding reasons to declare some people to be the outgroup and not worthy of empathy.

To bring it back to politics, a good society is one in which people are properly incentivized to behave well, which they do without thinking that it's because of the incentives.
 
TheComebackKid said:
You know what else operates on a pyramid system based on Babylonian philosophies and symbolism? Street gangs like the ones you want to fund.
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Trotsky said:
What do you feel those real natures are?

The only inaccurate depiction I can think of is that most people aren't good and don't have a strong sense of guilt like is depicted in television.
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Piggybacking off my earlier point concerning the appeal of historical romance, I actually do like "traditional" romances in the sense of a depiction of married life in traditional societies which tend to focus on intimate day to day interactions as opposed to big romantic gestures and quirky dates which are common in trite modern romances.
Trotsky said:
That's why the "street rat with a heart of gold" trope from early American cinema, channeling Zizek's critique, was always so awful. Poverty and limited access to knowledge and the insights of others do not breed noble men.
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Got a link to that critique? I really need some Zizek in my life right now...
 
Trotsky said:
No, I don't think it's even a discussion. Humans are not naturally good.

In my opinion, being good is something that is achieved through introspection and empathy, but also, and most of all, learning and humbling oneself to knowledge.

That's why the "street rat with a heart of gold" trope from early American cinema, channeling Zizek's critique, was always so awful. Poverty and limited access to knowledge and the insights of others do not breed noble men.

World political history and the cyclical rise of incompetent and brutal nationalists and brutes that scapegoat others constantly remind us the core selfish cruelty of people.




Watch their interview from today. It's hilarious.
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Oh I read it wrong, we for sure agree then. However, this still does not excuse you for not knowing the bros are bros lol.
 
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