War Room Lounge v113: Broken express elevator to an abyssal safari of psychosis

[Falsedawn]

I'm thinking of calling my self and other Chuds, chuds more often. Like What's up my chud?

What's good Chud?

Have fun with that lol

 

[Clippy]

The Netflix documentary on you is going to make Tiger King look like a Ken Burns special

I don't understand these references but thanks for the compliment

 

[weed]

@senri

 

[Sycho Sid]

Good to know that Trump is on top of the important things, like adding 50 jobs to the country at the expense of the environment.

 

[senri]

@senri

colorful...

 

[BarryDillon]

Is simp the new cuck?

Simp was around way before cuck in modern terms.

 

[Wet Blanket]

Ontario Cannabis stores no longer essential and will be closing this weekend.

Also a lot of construction (condos etc) is now non essential as well.

 

[Falsedawn]

Simp was around way before cuck in modern terms.

 

[Fawlty]

@Fawlty

Okay, so. I'm in the small blind, action's folded to me with Kh7c. I raise to 3x, which is stupid but bear with me. The big blind calls. The flop comes Qh Qs 3h. I C bet half the pot just to see if I could take it down. The BB calls. Turn comes Jh. I check. BB checks behind. The flush comes in with 9h, leaving me with a king high flush. I bet 3/4 pot. BB min raises. I call. He turns over Queen Jack for the boat. I'm not sure if I should consider this a win because I more or less got away from it (only losing 35BB), or if I should have shoved anyways on the river on the basis of EV.

I knew that he had something by the way the hand unfolded and that he had a piece of the flop. AQ, KQ, QJ, QT all could have called pre and post flop, and any flush draw of which I only lose to QJ or AhX specifically. I don't think QQ+ would have acted the way BB did, normally people 3 bet those. So, one AQ beats us, the other 3 don't, we beat 3 combos of KQ, lose to 2 combos of QJ, and we beat 4 combos of QT. So on that basis shoving makes sense. But there are so many combos of Ah broadway that we lose against as well so, shoving doesn't perhaps make sense. But then homeboy probably would have not checked the turn on most of those with the flush coming in. What do you think?

Been a while since I've dug into a hand but I'll take a swing at it.

First off, I don't think it's necessarily a stupid raise pre. It's a little too much most of the time, but you can mix in an occasional 3x. Something in the 2x-2.5x is often where you want to be. Personally I won't often call and see no reason to fold K7o folded to the SB.

The flop C-bet is fine.

His call there can still mean pairs 66+(?), any Q in his range (Q7+?), any Ah, AK-A8(?), some Kx, and like you said fewer of those will be JJ+ because that's getting 3-bet pre most of the time.

I like the turn check, let him take the lead. Your nothing has some value if it gets checked behind, and you want information from him. You can't always check that turn, but you should mostly check it imo.

His check behind gives some info, as he's going to protect any piece of the flop from the flush draw, so he's mostly only going to check monsters if he has something. Mostly it means this: he either doesn't love his hand or he wants you to improve. But what his check doesn't do is remove many of the hands from his flop-calling range.

The consequence of him still having a pretty wide range on the river is that your bet is pushing into many more hands that he can't call with. Is he going to look you up with Th or worse? Maybe the Th exactly but not any smaller flush. He's not calling with his pairs, he's not calling with AK...what is he calling with? Just a Q? You're in good shape against some Queens, but there is not enough information to put him there all the time.

I think you narrowed his range too much here. He has lots of junk in this spot that your bet cannot get value from.

 

[weed]

so Trump actually helped out Cuomo/NYC. good on his part.

the Jacob Javits Center was going to be used as a temporary facility to treat non-Covid patients. well, the overflow of Covid patients is so damn strong that Cuomo wanted to use JJC to help compensate, but was getting push-back. he got on the phone with Trump, & Trump got it done for him.

this is what I'm talking about - fuck this partisan bullshit. lives need to be saved. the death toll here in NY is just under 3000 as of today.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I changed the style on here from black to white and it’s freaking me out.

IMO

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Now I have to make a mask

https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/gov-wolf-calls-for-universal-masking/

 

[kpt018]

@kpt018 Has Cuomo actually impressed you?

I've come away impressed just from the snippets I see in the media, but I realize that that can be extremely misleading, ala Bush and Rudy getting high favorables after 9/11, since it's grounded in PR instead of policy making. Either way, he's played the aggravated tough guy role very well.

I do think he has been impressive during the crisis thus far. Nyc is in really bad shape and he’s showing serious leadership, empathy for its citizens and at least the appearance he’s doing all he can to fight this pandemic.

We can go back to hating on him once this thing is past up but imo nice job by him.

 

[JDragon]

I'd go with "woc" if you must use the "oc" thing.

As for @Trotsky's question, I like Abrams. Whitmer's approval/disapproval in Michigan is 60/22, and she's qualified enough. Might further piss off the loony Bernie fans, though. On the other hand, it's looking like Biden can win without them. Trump's betting odds are near even, and I respect that (it's not necessarily right but it's probably a better guess than I can make), but it's hard to see how he wins with over 100,000 dead Americans and 20% unemployment as a direct result of his incompetence. Like, I can't wrap my head around what my process tells me is the best guess. I like Klobuchar, too. Same strengths and weaknesses as Whitmer, though I think governor is better experience than senator (Klobuchar's overall CV is better). We need someone who is ready to step in and handle the massive cleanup job.

I think you are underestimating the crisis effect. Right now, people want to rally around the dear leader. Aren't Trump's approval ratings up despite clearly abysmal crisis management?

Also, no one cares about the Democratic primaries. And I am positive that while things will get bad, they will get better (compared to rock bottom) probably in time for Trump to take it still.

Of course it depends on the comparative crisis outcome. If the whole world has defeated the virus and it rages on in the US (highly unlikely), that's an issue. If everyone globally is still battling it, not necessarily.

 

[Sycho Sid]

I think you are underestimating the crisis effect. Right now, people want to rally around the dear leader. Aren't Trump's approval ratings up despite clearly abysmal crisis management?

Also, no one cares about the Democratic primaries. And I am positive that while things will get bad, they will get better (compared to rock bottom) probably in time for Trump to take it still.

Of course it depends on the comparative crisis outcome. If the whole world has defeated the virus and it rages on in the US (highly unlikely), that's an issue. If everyone globally is still battling it, not necessarily.

His approval bounce is already gone, he is back in the negatives for how people view his handling of the virus

 

[Jack V Savage]

I think you are underestimating the crisis effect. Right now, people want to rally around the dear leader. Aren't Trump's approval ratings up despite clearly abysmal crisis management?

Also, no one cares about the Democratic primaries. And I am positive that while things will get bad, they will get better (compared to rock bottom) probably in time for Trump to take it still.

Of course it depends on the comparative crisis outcome. If the whole world has defeated the virus and it rages on in the US (highly unlikely), that's an issue. If everyone globally is still battling it, not necessarily.

There are two competing issues. The public does tend to rally around the leader in times of crisis, but the president gets blamed/credited (usually wrongly) for how well the economy is doing, or just generally how well things are going. The first effect tends to be shorter-term, but the second one is more sensitive to the rate of change than to the level. Don't know that there's any precedent for this kind of a disaster in an election year, especially not one that can be directly tied to presidential incompetence.

Incumbents usually win, but the answer to the standard incumbent question (are you better off than you were four years ago?) is usually yes.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

What are the thread's thoughts on who should be Biden's VP pick?

Two of the most popular picks, at least per surveys/advertisements that I keep seeing on social media, seem to be Kamala Harris and Stacey Abrams. In short, I see both of these picks as having enormous downside and not much upside. Both would activate the worst aspects of conservative backlash (and, perhaps, corresponding turnout), and Abrams is still not an entirely known commodity at this point. Of course, Kamala Harris is one of the most skilled politicians in the country, and I've heard similar good things about Abrams as well. I just wish Harris wasn't from fucking California.

Thing is, any female candidate would turn away a lot of moderates. And you need a good amount of those in order to win. I'm probably being biased but Warren would make a good pick. The "omg she's such a phony!!!" crowd wasn't gonna vote Democratic anyway, and she'd really bring out the liberal voters who are miffed that Bernie didn't win.

What are the chances he picks an unknown? Just in the last 5 elections, Pence, Kaine, Palin, Biden himself, Cheney and Liebermann were all pretty obscure.

 

[Fugazy]

Honestly, except for the actual virus pandemic part, quarantine is pretty great.

Working from home is great, having the fily all here is great, don't need excuses to ditch social events, frivolous spending is way down...

Although I do miss the gym and don't like the grocery situation. Also we just had an fire ban implemented (indefinitely) the day my pit was finally ready to go.

Wtf? You can't bbq??

That's the dumbest shit ever.

Better go get a good, mid-size propane grille and use it on the low to satisfy them urges.

 

[Fugazy]

King Of Queens is running nonstop of the Lifetime channel. Not sure if this is television for woman but prime Leah Remini was damn sexy

Maybe for a scientologist.

 

[JDragon]

@Ruprecht May have missed it but please status update