War Room Lounge v111: Err...I didn't mean to turn this into another thread about trouser lumber.

[Andy Capp]

@Clippy directed me to retarddit. I nearly vomited all over myself trying to make sense of their UI. fuck that trash.

Yes, like the underground, it's so awful to look at or navigate I just can't deal with them.

 

[Quipling]

Oh i was more concerned with the idea of taking a shot at 8AM.

Man... It's so fucking creepy af out here.

Also took that shot. And if anyone here has a PS4 get Hunt:Showdown. It's amazing.

Is that the cthuluhu pvp raid game?

 

[Andy Capp]

Totally understandable, but I have mixed feelings on this. Knowing when it's correct to fold/shove with relation to blinds and chip stacks and payouts in single-table tournaments is a massive advantage (and not doing it correctly is a massive disadvantage), and software can take that burden off of the player. On the other hand, it's using nothing but a small amount of public knowledge and basic math.

The full HUDs that pull every single stat you have against a player, and the way players can combine hand history banks to get better data on shared opponents, that's some mafia shit. Like team play almost. And while interpreting the numbers the HUD gives you is only part science and part art, it's still great to know when there's a high likelihood that a player has a huge hand when they raise the river or something.

tl/dr: I personally love HUDs and calculators, but it's unfair to people not using them, and it can be a little sketchy.

See below.

I doubt that's happening on the site I play on. America's Cardroom isn't supported by the biggest bots and there's not enough time to put the situation into a hold 'em solver.

I just ain't got a g-g-g-good brain. #89thpercentile

I was talking about the full HUD's Fawlty is referring to. They take all the hand data from every player at the table, gauge betting habits and so on, and as he says, they're cool as hell unless you're not using it and playing against someone who is. It's certainly one of the ways people stay in and catch improbable hands against you. Whether or not that applies to your site, no idea, but that it exists is enough to discourage me.

 

[Andy Capp]

Incidentally, anyone heard from @spin? Seems a while since I've seen a post.

 

[weed]

Goddamn..

so Elmhurst is about 20 minutes from me over here in Queens. I was actually born there (along with the majority of my friends), but just by chance because that's where my mama mia happened to be.

to learn about these makeshift morgues "popping" up, & how incredibly hard they're getting hit over there - so close to home, it really is setting this all into perspective for me.

a part of me has accepted the chance of my catching this shit, somehow. not to sound pessimistic, but I just have to face the reality here - that this could very well become my reality.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

 

[Fawlty]

Corona is taking its toll. The line for Starbucks was backed up half a block down a major street. McDonald's made my mocha this day. Pray for me.

 

[Prokofievian]

See below.

I was talking about the full HUD's Fawlty is referring to. They take all the hand data from every player at the table, gauge betting habits and so on, and as he says, they're cool as hell unless you're not using it and playing against someone who is. It's certainly one of the ways people stay in and catch improbable hands against you. Whether or not that applies to your site, no idea, but that it exists is enough to discourage me.

HUDs are mostly useful to tell you if someone is a maniac or a pussy, but if you're opening a tight range and not backing off when you're getting the right price to call, they can't tell you much.

Today was a tough one. I had a winning session. Then I started another one, went bust, rebought, worked my way up to even on that session. Rather than calling it a day, I just kept playing, and making worse and worse decisions. On the final one I had A2d, I was on the button, pretty good position to be in. Someone in early position opens with 3.5x, so right away I put them on a big pair, but probably not aces. Everyone else folds, but I come along for the ride. The flop comes 3d 6d 7h. So I'm looking at 12 outs if my read is correct. He 3/4 pot bets into me all the way down, and despite not getting the right price I called anyways. He turns over kings. I could have gotten away if I had memorized the outs to odds calculation even if he did have a HUD. Now, if he had half pot bet all the way, I was just doomed.

 

[Fawlty]

I doubt that's happening on the site I play on. America's Cardroom isn't supported by the biggest bots and there's not enough time to put the situation into a hold 'em solver.

I just ain't got a g-g-g-good brain. #89thpercentile

Think something like this:

The better players at your tables will have something sort of like this. All of those numbers, especially the top-line ones, are useful information about how to play against you.

 

[Fawlty]

HUDs are mostly useful to tell you if someone is a maniac or a pussy, but if you're opening a tight range and not backing off when you're getting the right price to call, they can't tell you much.

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[weed]

Corona is taking its toll. The line for Starbucks was backed up half a block down a major street. McDonald's made my mocha this day. Pray for me.

McDiarrhea awaits.

I went the Dunkachino route today. the first sip burned so bad where I'm left with what as best as I can describe to be as "herpes of the tongue".

 

[Prokofievian]

ohsweetsummerchild.png

Okay, so, you're on pokerstars, and there's a guy on your right who's a 22/20/3 with a pretty low CBF and F3B. What are you being told other than ''maybe find another mark''? Are you really excited about getting into a pot with this person?

 

[Sketch]

Thanks for asking.

I'm in kind of a peculiar situation. The news at home is rather good. I'm getting more rest, my wife is now my daily exercise buddy, and some things that I have been putting off are finally getting done. I honestly can't complain.

The news at work is very bad and that's where it gets peculiar. For reasons I can't get into, I don't qualify for or am not helped by any of the programs announced so far, and I better qualify for something or I am fuuuuuuuuhuhuhuhuuuuuuuucked. I believe that's because my situation is just not a priority yet, so I understand and accept that on an objective and empathetic level. But every day that goes by with new announcements that don't help me, the stronger the fear grows that I'm going to fall through the cracks and down the drain.

Yesterday, it came out they were going to offer a line of credit of up to $40k with no interest and up to $10K of it being forgivable. Fucking perfect. And then I read you need to have a payroll over $50K to qualify. Oh well, back to the wait. I've been reassured that I'm not the only person in my position, no doubt about that really, but getting the hind tit will still be closest to the asshole and it stinks, as it were.

It's not always that much fun.

And you?

I'm good, still working. Wife is working from home.

I feel for ya, you're in that sweet spot of not being able to be helped just yet. Hopefully your situation changes and you get some sort of relief. It must be terrible to watch your business fall apart and there is nothing you can do. You guys must have a very low case count though right? Being a small island and all. At least you've got that going for you right now. Canada in general seems to be doing pretty good throughout this.

 

[Fawlty]

Okay, so, you're on pokerstars, and there's a guy on your right who's a 22/20/3 with a pretty low CBF and F3B. What are you being told other than ''maybe find another mark''? Are you really excited about getting into a pot with this person?

If that tells you that you're dealing with somebody you're not likely to extract a lot of $$ from...that's valuable information given to you by the HUD. You can't know that about the other player unless...you're using a HUD. Or have notes on the player with those HUD stats for shorthand reference. And if you're doing that, may as well have a HUD right?

Being told "find another mark" is worth a lot of money. Important to remember that information works both ways.

But beyond constructing anybody with a particular play pattern, designed to be somebody who you feel isn't very exploitable, if you would describe that pattern of play as approaching GTO, then you should either be printing money or reexamining your beliefs. It seems you're doing neither?

 

[Prokofievian]

If that tells you that you're dealing with somebody you're not likely to extract a lot of $$ from...that's valuable information given to you by the HUD. You can't know that about the other player unless...you're using a HUD. Or have notes on the player with those HUD stats for shorthand reference. And if you're doing that, may as well have a HUD right?

Being told "find another mark" is worth a lot of money. Important to remember that information works both ways.

Yes. And conversely when you see someone playing half their hands it says that this guy is about to get felted, don't let your dreams be dreams. I'm just telling @Andy Capp that if you're not opening too loosely or tightly, and not being a total pussy, mostly what the HUD is telling them to do is to not engage with you. But that's within your control. Whereas, running a screen scraper into a bot to calculate razor thin margins is some straight up skullduggery by comparison.

But beyond constructing anybody with a particular play pattern, designed to be somebody who you feel isn't very exploitable, if you would describe that pattern of play as approaching GTO, then you should either be printing money or reexamining your beliefs. It seems you're doing neither?

My entire poker game at this point is is stupidty followed by self hatred and further analysis.

 

[Fawlty]

Yes. And conversely when you see someone playing half their hands it says that this guy is about to get felted, don't let your dreams be dreams. I'm just telling @Andy Capp that if you're not opening too loosely or tightly, and not being a total pussy, mostly what the HUD is telling them to do is to not engage with you. But that's within your control. Whereas, running a screen scraper into a bot to calculate razor thin margins is some straight up skullduggery by comparison.



My entire poker game at this point is is stupidty followed by self hatred and further analysis.

Gotta continue later, called into work. Cheers, poker sucks!

 

[Falsedawn]

Gotta continue later, called into work. Cheers, poker sucks!

Lol @ working on weekends

 

[Trotsky]

Corona is taking its toll. The line for Starbucks was backed up half a block down a major street. McDonald's made my mocha this day. Pray for me.

I think McD mocha coffee is good

 

[Lead]

Corona is taking its toll. The line for Starbucks was backed up half a block down a major street. McDonald's made my mocha this day. Pray for me.

Similar situation. Each day I’ve tried to go early or late instead of right around noon but it’s backed up no matter what. It’s one the few reasons to go out while staying in your car still and feeling unexposed.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

I prefer almost every coffee over Starbucks.

Always thought their shit tasted burnt.

Wawa and Dunkin are my favorites