War Room Lounge v108: The Lord's Work

[Prokofievian]

I have storm trooper fuzzy slippers, 0 stubbed toes.

Fascist.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Fascist.

"Chuck U Farley" regarding the csa triangle when you think about it.

 

[MVelsor]

Very true. We've touched on it some (pun intended), but I've had the misfortune of knowing people that would rather be titled a rapist over a "". As a whole I think attitudes have gotten a lot better, ala Rob Halford, but there will always be haters.
It took me until about high school before I concluded that much of the resentment was closeted insecurity. And once I realized it I felt more bad for them than I did disdain. They were taught wrong, they were taught that sexual preference mattered.

I had several friends during that time period that waited to come out until after high school for fear of violence, and I didn't blame them. "" was about the last moniker you wanted then.
I consider myself lucky in the respect that I still have friends from that era that are of different sexual preference, good friends, because I was taught correctly from a young age.
If there's a bright spot in all of that I also know people who "grew up" so to speak and lost the hate.

It wasn't much different in the mid-2000s, at least where I went to high school. My life as I knew it essentially would've been over in an instant. The few openly gay "fem" kids who couldn't 'straight-pass' were treated like total shit. I saw them harassed by groups of people where it escalated to physical violence and did nothing. I wasn't part of that as some are/were, but it still bothers me.

The amusing thing is that I had a discreet suck/fuck buddy the whole time. We had met at freshman orientation and it lasted all the up to graduation, probably way stronger actual feelings than we'd ever admit. All the while were keeping up hetero jock appearances, casual homophobia, multiple girlfriends, etc. lol. One of the chicks I juggled during the time found out later but thankfully never said anything.

 

[TheOldMan]

It wasn't much different in the mid-2000s, at least where I went to high school. My life as I knew it essentially would've been over in an instant. The few openly gay "fem" kids who couldn't 'straight-pass' were treated like total shit. I saw them harassed by groups of people where it escalated to physical violence and did nothing. I wasn't part of that as some are/were, but it still bothers me.

The amusing thing is that I had a discreet suck/fuck buddy the whole time. We had met at freshman orientation and it lasted all the up to graduation, probably way stronger actual feelings than we'd ever admit. All the while were keeping up hetero jock appearances, casual homophobia, multiple girlfriends, etc. lol. One of the chicks I juggled during the time found out later but thankfully never said anything.

Given where you're from I'm not surprised about it lasting into the 2k's. Cowboys don't like "them dar queers."

I can only imagine the hell that must have been though. Good thing that girl was smart enough to keep her trap shut. Ironically I was in somewhat of a reversed roll in HS because of my gay friends. I'd joke sometimes that I'd out them, but in reality I didn't want any of them to die, which was a very real possibility if I had.

 

[Cajun]

• The most effective away to abort children. (post-birth, with a bat)
• How many guns we need to take from white people before we mandate gay sex. (3/5)
• How much better we are than you. (and how you know it)
• Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism
• "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health" by L. Ron Hubbard

Lol. Well said.

 

[MVelsor]

Given where you're from I'm not surprised about it lasting into the 2k's. Cowboys don't like "them dar queers."

I can only imagine the hell that must have been though. Good thing that girl was smart enough to keep her trap shut. Ironically I was in somewhat of a reversed roll in HS because of my gay friends. I'd joke sometimes that I'd out them, but in reality I didn't want any of them to die, which was a very real possibility if I had.

It actually wasn't North Dakota, we had moved to Phoenix just before I was starting high school because my dad got a pretty big career opportunity. I'm sure my mom was aware the whole time, had walked in on me kissing another boy in my room when I was like 11/12 (yeah, I was a little deviant). There were no words. The dinner that night was awkward as fuck though and he wasn't allowed to sleep over.

 

[Cajun]

Given where you're from I'm not surprised about it lasting into the 2k's. Cowboys don't like "them dar queers."

I can only imagine the hell that must have been though. Good thing that girl was smart enough to keep her trap shut. Ironically I was in somewhat of a reversed roll in HS because of my gay friends. I'd joke sometimes that I'd out them, but in reality I didn't want any of them to die, which was a very real possibility if I had.

Growing up in the rural south, I knew of no openly gay peeps or even closeted peeps. After HS I know a few that came out not in my class. I didnt really get to know any gay people well until I moved to Boston. Most were much different than the stereotype you see exaggerated on tv and I made some good friends. I live back in texas now and have one person that works for me that is gay. Cant imagine the pressure in HS tho.... there is enough of that when you are straight.

 

[MVelsor]

Growing up in the rural south, I knew of no openly gay peeps or even closeted peeps. After HS I know a few that came out not in my class. I didnt really get to know any gay people well until I moved to Boston. Most were much different than the stereotype you see exaggerated on tv and I made some good friends. I live back in texas now and have one person that works for me that is gay. Cant imagine the pressure in HS tho.... there is enough of that when you are straight.

The UCLA School of Law recently estimated that about 700,000 people between the age of 18-59 in the US have received or gone through "gay conversion therapy", including 350,000 during childhood / adolescence. I'd guess a large majority of those are concentrated in the South.

My own extended family is really conservative and right-wing, I'm kind of semi-estranged from most of them. With the large exceptions of my mom and a cousin (like a big sister) who lives out in LA now. There's no fucking way that kind of thing was ever going to be on the table though.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Growing up in the rural south, I knew of no openly gay peeps or even closeted peeps. After HS I know a few that came out not in my class. I didnt really get to know any gay people well until I moved to Boston. Most were much different than the stereotype you see exaggerated on tv and I made some good friends. I live back in texas now and have one person that works for me that is gay. Cant imagine the pressure in HS tho.... there is enough of that when you are straight.

My best friend's dad disowned him at 17 when he found out. Threw him out of the house and then refused to speak with or acknowledge in any way shape or form.

 

[TheOldMan]

It actually wasn't North Dakota, we had moved to Phoenix just before I was starting high school because my dad got a pretty big career opportunity. I'm sure my mom was aware the whole time, had walked in on me kissing another boy in my room when I was like 11/12 (yeah, I was a little deviant). There were no words. The dinner that night was awkward as fuck though and he wasn't allowed to sleep over.

I didn't realize you had moved SW so young and thought you stuck around @NoDak until graduating.

Growing up in the rural south, I knew of no openly gay peeps or even closeted peeps. After HS I know a few that came out not in my class. I didnt really get to know any gay people well until I moved to Boston. Most were much different than the stereotype you see exaggerated on tv and I made some good friends. I live back in texas now and have one person that works for me that is gay. Cant imagine the pressure in HS tho.... there is enough of that when you are straight.

Sounds similar. Nobody I knew came out in HS from fear...and yeah as if HS isn't shitty enough. But, as I said in an earlier post I was fortunate enough to have a father that taught me from a young age that none of that bullshit matters. Same with race and country, but that's another topic I suppose.

 

[Cajun]

The UCLA School of Law recently estimated that about 700,000 people between the age of 18-59 in the US have received or gone through "gay conversion therapy", including 350,000 during childhood / adolescence. I'd guess a large majority of those are concentrated in the South.

My own extended family is really conservative and right-wing, I'm kind of semi-estranged from most of them. With the large exceptions of my mom and a cousin (like a big sister) who lives out in LA now. There's no fucking way that kind of thing was ever going to be on the table though.

There is a large religious aspect attached to this. I dont know anyone who has gone through this. I am conservative and pro gay marriage. The two can go hand in hand just fine. For your family, it's sad when there is a total rejection of a family member over this. Even if you dont agree you can still be loving...

 

[Cajun]

My best friend's dad disowned him at 17 when he found out. Threw him out of the house and then refused to speak with or acknowledge in any way shape or form.

Terrible stuff. They still not speak?

 

[Prokofievian]

Well this has been a heart-warming and humanizing exchange with @TheOldMan

 

[TheOldMan]

Well this has been a heart-warming and humanizing exchange with @TheOldMan

I sure seem to fascinate you.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Terrible stuff. They still not speak?

No sir, they do not

 

[Prokofievian]

I sure seem to fascinate you.

I'm just sayin: this is the first time you have tried not being a cunt in this thread. We won't give up, nah nah nah, let us love you.

 

[MVelsor]

As a whole I think attitudes have gotten a lot better, ala Rob Halford, but there will always be haters.

There's a bunch. The nerve of this cat in the 1950s.

"No, I am not a homosexual. But, I'm also not going to go through life with one hand tied behind my back."

"I kill a man and most forgive me... I love a man, and many say this makes me an evil person."

"Like a large number of men, I, too, have had homosexual experiences and I am not ashamed. I've never paid much attention to what people think about me."

"It's true, I am a bisexual. I suppose it's the best thing that ever happened to me."



https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1994-04-21-9404210041-story,amp.html

It was the idea that two people so prominent in their careers - Bob Paris, 34, is a champion bodybuilder and a former Mr. Universe, and Rod Jackson, 32, is an international model and Playgirl centerfold - would take the risk of coming out of the closet so publicly.

"The stories we hear from kids today, that's what both of us went through when we were teenagers growing up in the Midwest," Bob said. "And I don't want any other person who is gay to go into a cornfield with a double-barrel shotgun and plan to commit suicide like I did, because I thought I was the only one." (The teenage Bob, who was drunk at the time, passed out before he could pull the trigger.)

It's these meetings with teens that inspire the Jackson-Parises to spend some 300 days a year on the road giving lectures at universities, signing books and meeting with support groups for gay teenagers.

 

[TheOldMan]

I'm just sayin: this is the first time you have tried not being a cunt in this thread. We won't give up, nah nah nah, let us love you.

I don't need to try.

It's quite simple.

There's a common denominator among those I'm a cunt to, and a common denominator among those I'm not a cunt to.

Let's see if you can figure it out, and I don't mean that condescendingly.

 

[Prokofievian]

I don't need to try.

It's quite simple.

There's a common denominator among those I'm a cunt to, and a common denominator among those I'm not a cunt to.

Let's see if you can figure it out, and I don't mean that condescendingly.

Are you only a cunt to WPEMs?

 

[TheOldMan]

There's a bunch. The nerve of this cat in the 1950s.

"No, I am not a homosexual. But, I'm also not going to go through life with one hand tied behind my back."

"I kill a man and most forgive me... I love a man, and many say this makes me an evil person."

"Like a large number of men, I, too, have had homosexual experiences and I am not ashamed. I've never paid much attention to what people think about me."

"It's true, I am a bisexual. I suppose it's the best thing that ever happened to me."



https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1994-04-21-9404210041-story,amp.html

It was the idea that two people so prominent in their careers - Bob Paris, 34, is a champion bodybuilder and a former Mr. Universe, and Rod Jackson, 32, is an international model and Playgirl centerfold - would take the risk of coming out of the closet so publicly.

"The stories we hear from kids today, that's what both of us went through when we were teenagers growing up in the Midwest," Bob said. "And I don't want any other person who is gay to go into a cornfield with a double-barrel shotgun and plan to commit suicide like I did, because I thought I was the only one." (The teenage Bob, who was drunk at the time, passed out before he could pull the trigger.)

It's these meetings with teens that inspire the Jackson-Parises to spend some 300 days a year on the road giving lectures at universities, signing books and meeting with support groups for gay teenagers.

Love that Priest song.
I always have trouble watching that boxing murder, although I get your point.