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War Room Lounge v106: Your thread was moved. That's basically the same as nazi book burnings.

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on a uh lighter note...
i visited the Karl Marx birthplace/museum in Germany

won't lie, it A) was kinda legit, and B) didn't strike me as the home of a future proletariat inspiring revolutionary
 
Well now you're back in the c*nt pile!
@LogicalInsanity
Not sure what you mean by that.

But if you think this thread and these posts and any critique of Trump, Pence and the admin would now be allowed with out the stink I kicked up here you are wrong.

The Mod's have wrongly proclaimed no analysis of Trump, Pence and their gov't is allowed in the MegaThread despite the fact any other gov't analysis is allowed.

OK so if we accept that the SuperThread is a Trump Safe Space because of Mod's with TDS then where can you post it?

@PEB then created a separate thread to discuss it. You would think that would be the natural answer right? Topic banned from the MegaThread ok, well give it, its own side thread. Fair game.

HELL NAW.

@Madmick was on forum hunting patrol in a TDS frenzy looking for any Trump criticism anywhere and dumping it as quick as it came up making sure posters got the message that no such analysis of Trump and his Admin will be allowed to exist on this forum. He will find it and get rid of it. PERIOD.

And that was NOT going to change.
 
Oof. That was an aggressively uninteresting exchange to read through. Seems like you were both wrong, though. JVS clearly was saying initially that he hadn't, in the context of that argument, called Gabbard an asset, so the other poster was choosing a different position to attack than the one he was at that moment taking (even if it was, as you demonstrated, a position that he did hold). Sort of like if I said "Trump is a more indecent person than Joe Biden" and you responded with "well, you think Hitler has more decency in him than Trump." The second statement is one that I think is more than likely true. But it's not the one I was making and that you're responding to.

That's a good comparison.

Also, I think that he had called Gabbard an asset for the same reason that I previously had: because I misunderstood the meaning of "asset" as an intelligence term and thought it could be distinguished from "agent" as merely denoting perceived (unilateral) value rather than actual cooperation. Because it's also pretty clear, including in one of the posts you quoted, that he was saying she was an asset because Russia saw some value in her, not because she was consciously working with them. If he were capable of admitting misunderstanding, he'd probably concede as much.

In the initial thread where the issue came up, there were different official-ish definitions posted that went both ways (synonymous with "agent" and distinct in that it referred to perceived value). I thought it was telling, then, that wai and Inga insisted on using the term "agent." If I say that "A is an X," and X has multiple meanings, including Y, it's still deceptive to say that I said "A is a Y." The term is being changed not to clarify what I said but to suggest that I said something that I may not have intended to.

Also, I know people think this is beating a dead horse, but this kind of thing--a focus on the structure of arguments--is more interesting to me and I think useful to anyone following than 99% of the topics that come up in the WR.
 
This thread is so much better than the megathread. Such awesome insights and information coming straight outta Mike here.
 
These nerd quarrels is why we used to have duels.
 
Not sure what you mean by that.

But if you think this thread and these posts and any critique of Trump, Pence and the admin would now be allowed with out the stink I kicked up here you are wrong.

The Mod's have wrongly proclaimed no analysis of Trump, Pence and their gov't is allowed in the MegaThread despite the fact any other gov't analysis is allowed.

OK so if we accept that the SuperThread is a Trump Safe Space because of Mod's with TDS then where can you post it?

@PEB then created a separate thread to discuss it. You would think that would be the natural answer right? Topic banned from the MegaThread ok, well give it, its own side thread. Fair game.

HELL NAW.

@Madmick was on forum hunting patrol in a TDS frenzy looking for any Trump criticism anywhere and dumping it as quick as it came up making sure posters got the message that no such analysis of Trump and his Admin will be allowed to exist on this forum. He will find it and get rid of it. PERIOD.

And that was NOT going to change.
Lol, what kind of "enhancements", are you on?
 
If nothing else sherdog has learned covid19 is just temporary but TDS is for life, thanks mikemcman ...
 
Yeah, you see that part where you denied calling Tulsi a Russian asset? That would be the lie you got busted on.

You get that he was saying "I didn't say that" in terms of having not said that in the post being responded to, right? I think you realize this now and are digging your heels in.

on a uh lighter note...
i visited the Karl Marx birthplace/museum in Germany

won't lie, it A) was kinda legit, and B) didn't strike me as the home of a future proletariat inspiring revolutionary

Seeing the birthplaces of great people is like a super specific sort of historical experience that you just can't replicate imo.
 
These nerd quarrels is why we used to have duels.
i challenged a guy to a duel in the Sports Bar one time in jest
he backed down immediately haha

Aaron Burr style, w/o treason naturally
 
You get that he was saying "I didn't say that" in terms of having not said that in the post being responded to, right? I think you realize this now and are digging your heels in.



Seeing the birthplaces of great people is like a super specific sort of historical experience that you just can't replicate imo.
or even where they've lived
I went to Monticello, Mount Vernon and also Gunston Hall (George Mason's plantation) in 4th grade

i don't think i'll ever forget those places, just imagining Tommy Jeff hanging out fathering illegitimate children and shit in a side room. Good times?
 
In the Main CoronaVirus thread you will find that no US Gov't response analysis is allowed if it is in any way seen as negative towards Trump. A monumental effort to protect Trump and Co from criticism is underway.

You can verify that by the FACT that in the media there is lots of analysis going on about the US Admin choices but NOT ONE single post on it in that thread. I have posted about 3 posts highlighting some critical critiques and each and every time they get deleted.

I am now being blocked from posting any thing in that thread.

So this is the thread to discuss the one thing you WILL NOT see discussed there. IT is a SEPARATE issue and should not be merged or deleted as again THIS IS NOT BEING posted in that thread.


And I did not in that other thread and will not here violate Sherdog rules with regards copying articles. I only ever take the headline and key paragraph or two while always proving the link to the original article for those who want to read it all.

So don't buy @Madmick's mistruth as to that being a reason things were deleted.

This is simply censorship to protect Trump and Co from scrutiny. Something that is disgusting in the early stages of this infection.

READINESS and GOV"T RESPONSE should not be OFF LIMITS just because its seen by some who are sensitive as negative to Trump.


THIS BELOW WAS THE EXACT POST THAT WAS DELETED THAT MADMICK IS TRYING TO PRETEND NOW VIOLATES FORUM RULES AS HIS EXCUSE TO CENSOR. NOTHING BELOW VIOLATES FORUM RULES.

THIS TYPE OF ANALYSIS MUST BE ALLOWED. THAT DOES NOT MEAN ALL HAVE TO AGREE BUT THE IDEA WE CANNOT EVEN CONSIDER OR DISCUSS IT WRONG!


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Is the US prepared for this?

As the worlds biggest market the handling of this and choices made both Pre and Post Coronavirus arrival to the US, by its officials will be key to analyse and watch to understand the impact the virus will have on the citizenry, the world Markets and beyond.

Confidence in the leadership will lead to citizens following instructions, taking the necessary steps and the Market impact being minimized. COnfidence lost will result in the opposite.


Pre Epidemic Preparedness:

There was a clear belief stated by the Trump Admin as they cut preparedness that such capacity, both human and supplies, could be rebuilt quickly and on demand as needed.

- Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response
As it improvises its way through a public health crisis, the United States has never been less prepared for a pandemic....In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure.


Post Epidemic Handling:

Testing and Early Isolation are keys to minimizing. That is built around having a robust testing infrastructure to identify and then isolate the infected.

Where does the US stand?


  • UK: 7,132 concluded tests, of which 13 positive (0.2% positivity rate). [source]
  • Italy: 9,462 tests, of which 470 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 5.0% positivity rate). [source]
  • France: 762 tests, of which 17 positive, 179 awaiting results (at least 2.2% positivity rate). [source]
  • Austria: 321 tests, of which 2 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 0.6% positivity rate). [source]
  • South Korea: 66,652 tests with 1766 positives 25,568 awaiting results (4.3% positivity rate). [source]
  • United States: 445 concluded tests, of which 14 positive (3.1% positivity rate). [source]



Whose in Charge:

The History of these types of Medical Emergencies is that the top Gov't officials, The Doctors and Scientist in Charge are given unfettered access to the media and citizenry to be able to address questions, allay fears, and give precise and actionable information. Citizens take comfort in that knowing politics is not driving messaging and the information they are being given is accurate.

Trump has changed that by putting Mike Pence (His VP) as point person and telling all gov't officials all information must funnel through him.

Pence's only history in dealing with such issues should be of great concern to all. He is of the 'pray the "XXX" away" camp, instead of looking to science or medicine for guidance.

Mike Pence, who enabled an HIV outbreak in Indiana, will lead US coronavirus response

Pence has a track record of ignoring public health evidence


Mike Pence claimed “smoking doesn’t kill” as late as 2000


So what is the Confidence level of the Market and Citizens?

We all know that a crisis like this or the 2008 Financial Crisis can shake markets. But confidence that there is a steady hand directing things can quickly stabilize things and allow for a much quicker return to normal. We saw that very quickly with the Obama Admin handling of the 2008 Financial Crisis which lead to the current growth and prosperity America has been enjoying for the last 12 years. Now the Trump Admin is thrown into a similar challenging environment and we will see how they handle it. If they quell fears and inspire confidence, and thus the markets stabilize and bounce back quicker or if things worsen and continue to decline due to a lack of confidence.

The Stock Market Is In Free Fall On Coronavirus Fears. How Much Worse Will It Get?

The U.S. stock market has officially plunged into correction territory—at the fastest rate ever recorded, suffering its worst losses since the 2008 financial crisis this week amid ongoing panic over the spreading coronavirus and its impact on the global economy.


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These are all things that need to be watched to gauge the extent of damage the Virus will do to the US citizenry and the Markets. How much worse or better things get will be directly tied to the above.

I'll keep updating this as things progress.



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@Oku
@Jackonfire
@Lead
@Peteyandjia

Please put more Mods eyes on this and question why this pro -Trump censorship by a Modf should be allowed to exist here? Or tell me whom I need to discuss this with. I will go thru Sherdog.COM if I need to write them as I have prior which does get better results but i would rather someone here address it.

@Madmick is claiming this post breaks forums rules for copy and pasting and IT DOES not. I am very careful to only highlight a bit while linking to the original.

And this should not be deleted because we already have a Coronavirus thread as this post is NOT ALLOWED in that thread. I'm ok if you merge this into that thread and delete this thread but deleting it here and NOT allowing it there is simply censorship.

This type of analysis post has to have some place it is allowed to exist and be discussed and right now there is a very concerted effort by some Mods to ensure it does not.

This is your full blown TDS on display.

Did you forget that @Madmick was leading the #Impeachmentburger charge on this forum during the Muller investigation? He's hardly a fan of President Trump.

You also have a warped sense of self importance. Your fantasy world has you believing that the mods have the desire or ability to shield President Trump from meaningful criticism, and your insignificant post on a martial arts forum is somehow the ONE FACTOID that will shift the entire worldwide narrative, and you think everyone will agree with you if only they could see your "brilliance".
 
i challenged a guy to a duel in the Sports Bar one time in jest
he backed down immediately haha

Aaron Burr style, w/o treason naturally

Michael Zeleny used to challenge people to duels online sometimes (@Lord Coke). One of the people was Mike Godwin (of Godwin's Law fame). Godwin chose a game of Trivial Pursuit as his weapon, which of course Zeleny rejected. The WSJ mentioned it in a profile of Godwin. Zeleny wrote a letter to the editor:

It has come to my attention that your journal has seriously misrepresented the circumstances of my exchange with one Mike Godwin, in a recent article entitled ``Keeping the Peace''. As a writer, I am appalled by your evident willingness to pass on an unverified and unattributed claim in indirect speech, as if it were a fact. This is particularly inexcusable, since the facts of the matter are part of public record, readily verifiable by any responsible journalist.

Setting aside your nugatory and gratuitous characterization of myself as a ``network bully,'' I would like to disclaim your irresponsible and mendacious charge that I ``regularly threatened people in a philosophy discussion group.'' Since making a threat of physical violence is clearly illegal, I must insist that you either substantiate this accusation with an unambiguous attribution of any instance of such putative threat made by myself, or withdraw it forthwith. As regards the rest of Mr. Godwin's claim, the facts are as follows. On October 15 of 1991, I proposed to arrange a free and consensual lesson in civility for an Internet correspondent from Edinburgh, who, having taken umbrage at my public expression of belief that homosexual activity is immoral, had previously replied to it in an openly insulting manner. Mr. Godwin, ignoring the first part of my offer, which exempted my interlocutor from any financial burden associated with our proposed encounter, fallaciously inferred that the invitation was not made in earnest, but rather represented a craven attempt to imitate his own trademark sort of self-serving persiflage. Evidently feeling slighted by my failure to respond in a similar fashion to his own insipid taunts, he proceeded to do his best to elicit a like challenge, in full awareness of the stated rules by which such an engagement must proceed. Having made enough of a nuisance of himself, Mr. Godwin at length earned his own invitation, whereupon he publicly refused to adhere to its rules by insisting on settling the quarrel with a trivial board game. In the ensuing exchange, I made it abundantly clear to Mr. Godwin that his choice of ``arms'' was utterly incompatible with the nature of the enterprise, --- for one surely cannot excise a noxious boil with a feather duster.

Nevertheless, Mr. Godwin steadfastly refused to comply with the code of honor, in spite of his earlier protestations of readiness to do so. Thus your blithe assertion that I ``never showed up'' for the contest is misleading, insofar as I had explained to my would-be opponent, that the engagement will not happen, until and unless he agrees to conduct it in the prescribed fashion. And this is where the challenge now stands.

Finally, a note concerning the motivation behind these events. One of the greatest scholars and publicists of our time set the standard of discourse in the journal he edited, by articulating his belief that the eighteenth-century custom of dueling should be reinstated for this one thing, --- that a man who has been insulted in print should have the right to challenge to a duel; [for] that would make the writers a little more careful about trying to blow up their own ego by being sarcastic. And yet it is an unfortunate aspect of our own time, that many people who enjoy access to the most widely promulgated media in the human history, should combine the incontinence that prompts them to issue rash statements, with the irresponsibility that allows them to disclaim the concomitant duty to account for their words in a proper and adequate fashion. It must be remembered that an apologetic retraction is always an option for one unwilling to stand up for his opinions; but to persist in issuing bombastic communications without assuming the responsibility for their consequences, is a clear mark of moral rot. Thus by treating the gravamen of his habitual public accusations as unworthy of his commitment to anything greater than the stake of a board game, Mr. Godwin demonstrates the triviality of his character in a more conclusive fashion than could be wished for by his bitterest opponents. And yet, his spiritual redemption remains wholly within his grasp. For even as the monopoly on the legitimate use of violence is successfully maintained by the state, the responsibility for maintaining one's dignity resides solely with the individual. And inasmuch as this is bound to remain so in all foreseeable contexts of social encounters, my moral purpose in issuing the challenge remains legitimately sporting and therapeutic for everyone involved. Consequently, it should be clear that in imputing to me a wish to inflict harm upon himself, Mr. Godwin has egregiously misinterpreted or misrepresented the point of the proposed exercise.
 
Definitive ranking of top WR posters I'd most support in a presidential election:

1. luckyshot
2. Quipling
3. Possum Jenkins
4. Ruprecht
5. Prokofievian
6. Kpt018
7. MiniCraque
8. Higus
9. Amerikuricana
10. Fawlty

@Kafir-kun is too socially conservative, @BarryDillon is too much from Kansas, and I can't trust that @Gandhi would survive two terms on account of his advanced age.



St. Louisans will find away to convert it into a sexually transmitted disease.
I'm too socially conservative but you'd support Amerikuricana?!
 
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