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@tonni it looks like third place finally showed up
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Rest of the world should have to own guns speak english eat slimjims and run on american time
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Of course. That's its purpose. Like others use leftist. I think one reason is because as a group, supporters of Trump are very clearly defined and they have no counterpart they can really point at since Trump has deliberately positioned the situation as him vs. everyone else.
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@Trotsky, took me a while to get to this, and I can't go back to quote anymore, but I wanted to keep chatting about this.
Right, but is there any evidence that attempts to reify pure Marxism in the real world don't automatically devolve into undemocratic and authoritarian structures in short order? Unless you don't take the early Soviets at their word in terms of what they were hoping to achieve. It seems to me that either literally all of the communist revolutionaries who took power were bad actors intent on subverting true Marxist thought (which requires, in my mind, a fairly significant suspension of disbelief), or there is a fault in the theory itself which keeps leading it into the same dead ends.
You seem to be on the edge of falling into 'No True Scotsman' territory here; if people who consider themselves communists and call themselves communists keep taking power and the same sets of problems keep occurring in different countries, it's a bit rich to insist that it's not real communism.
I grant you that most (all?) Communist regimes which actually succeeded in seizing power were Marxist-Leninist, but Marx's own writings spoke of the need for the bloody overthrow of all existing social orders, and I think we have experimented with that sufficiently to see where it leads at this point. The dream of doing away with hierarchy is a chimera, and that dream is at the heart of Marxist thought.
I don't, as it happens, think Peterson should have made the punching comment, although I still disagree with your reading of it and would suggest you aren't being charitable. He isn't either, in this instance, so that's certainly fair enough. I'll also so that I'm uncertain as to whether the direct descent he traces from Marxism to post-modern thought is actually the correct genealogy.
However, Peterson's comment, in the broader context of the video, is that anyone who denies that Stalinist Russia and Maoist China aren't real communism is trying to elide the real problem with communist thought, and betrays a failure to understand human nature and the corrupting nature of power. You can disagree with this assessment, but it's not fundamentally irrational.
Also, At what point does the factual reality of widespread suffering under communist regimes become a fact that must be dealt with? I don't want to get into a boring discussion about capitalist/communist death tolls, but so far we have evidence that you can have a prosperous capitalist society, which remains stable over the long term, and a litany of failure, collapse and low standards of living on the part of communist societies.
Maybe these are better questions:
1) Do you consider yourself a Marxist?
2) If yes, how, as a Marxist, do you believe that the communist program will be implemented, and should be implemented?
Right, but is there any evidence that attempts to reify pure Marxism in the real world don't automatically devolve into undemocratic and authoritarian structures in short order? Unless you don't take the early Soviets at their word in terms of what they were hoping to achieve. It seems to me that either literally all of the communist revolutionaries who took power were bad actors intent on subverting true Marxist thought (which requires, in my mind, a fairly significant suspension of disbelief), or there is a fault in the theory itself which keeps leading it into the same dead ends.
You seem to be on the edge of falling into 'No True Scotsman' territory here; if people who consider themselves communists and call themselves communists keep taking power and the same sets of problems keep occurring in different countries, it's a bit rich to insist that it's not real communism.
I grant you that most (all?) Communist regimes which actually succeeded in seizing power were Marxist-Leninist, but Marx's own writings spoke of the need for the bloody overthrow of all existing social orders, and I think we have experimented with that sufficiently to see where it leads at this point. The dream of doing away with hierarchy is a chimera, and that dream is at the heart of Marxist thought.
I don't, as it happens, think Peterson should have made the punching comment, although I still disagree with your reading of it and would suggest you aren't being charitable. He isn't either, in this instance, so that's certainly fair enough. I'll also so that I'm uncertain as to whether the direct descent he traces from Marxism to post-modern thought is actually the correct genealogy.
However, Peterson's comment, in the broader context of the video, is that anyone who denies that Stalinist Russia and Maoist China aren't real communism is trying to elide the real problem with communist thought, and betrays a failure to understand human nature and the corrupting nature of power. You can disagree with this assessment, but it's not fundamentally irrational.
Also, At what point does the factual reality of widespread suffering under communist regimes become a fact that must be dealt with? I don't want to get into a boring discussion about capitalist/communist death tolls, but so far we have evidence that you can have a prosperous capitalist society, which remains stable over the long term, and a litany of failure, collapse and low standards of living on the part of communist societies.
Maybe these are better questions:
1) Do you consider yourself a Marxist?
2) If yes, how, as a Marxist, do you believe that the communist program will be implemented, and should be implemented?
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Just keeping the War room clean. Unless you enjoy some mild threatening people with doxxing, violence, and casual talk about lowering age of consent?
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Hahahha
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I thought you were a vet. You always this easy to troll?
When I’m high, probably
And it’s legit to ask. Two dudes I liked just got banned
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Lmfao at the slimjims
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I thought you were a vet. You always this easy to troll?
Also man, I’m not a War Room vet. Word on the street is you guys love getting each other banned.
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People that mess with the lounge get got.
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Whats more american than slimjims ?
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That was pre 1776 bro that was the english
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Yea, but you know we dont go after folks with the plat protection. @FireKidWS has to walk the line.
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