Social War Room Lounge v.231: Frodo Pack Edition

[Limbo Pete]

@Limbo Pete would never do that. He certainly wouldn't deflect with nonsense to anyone pointing that out, and then scurry out of the thread when it became apparent that his hyperbolic position was not defensible. That's just not what Petey does...all the time...like clockwork...

Have we met?

 

[Trotsky]

@tonni @JDragon As enlightened Euros whose countries have abolished the death penalty, what are your opinions on the subject? IIRC, even though it's abolished, a plurality of Europeans still favor it.

I'm personally a critic of the institution in terms of administration but supportive of it on principle. I used to feel the state shouldn't hold ultimate dominion over citizens' lives, but I've drifted to the point where I'm sympathetic to capital punishment in a number of situations. I personally favor extremely harsh sentences (if not execution) for forcible rape alone and automatic capital punishment for homicides involving rape or torture.

 

[HereticBD]

Have we met?

Running to the Safe Space Lounge already? Pretty pathetic, Pete.

And yes, you do that shit all the time. You are not capable of having a conversation that doesn't slant in the extreme favor of whatever bullshit you're propagating. You're a little girl.

Pete - "They're legalizing running people down in the street!"

Rational Person - "That's not what the legislation says."

Pete - "They're legalizing murder in the streets!!!"

Rational Person - "Have you read it?"

Pete - "..."

Rational Person - "Well?"

Pete - "Hi Lounge!"


LOL

 

[Limbo Pete]

Running to the Safe Space Lounge already? Pretty pathetic, Pete.

And yes, you do that shit all the time. You are not capable of having a conversation that doesn't slant in the extreme favor of whatever bullshit you're propagating. You're a little girl.

Pete - "They're legalizing running people down in the street!"

Rational Person - "That's not what the legislation says."

Pete - "They're legalizing murder in the streets!!!"

Rational Person - "Have you read it?"

Pete - "..."

Rational Person - "Well?"

Pete - "Hi Lounge!"


LOL

@Sketch I'm gonna get this guy to sick his dad on me one of these days. Mark my words.

 

[Stop Being Greedy]

Deftones
Chino, the singer, for some time had damaged vocal chords and sounded horrendous live. Other times I've seen them their guitarist, Stephen, had gotten too high before the show and kept fucking up. More than once I've seen Chino straight up attack Stephen on stage over his fuck ups, lol.

When I was 13, my dad took me to a dirt bike track to ride my little Kawasaki 80 around and when we got there, MTV was having some event and Deftones played. Shit was awesome. White Pony had just dropped and was taking the world by storm.

Looks like there's actually video of it up.

 

[Falsedawn]

@Sketch I'm gonna get this guy to sick his dad on me one of these days. Mark my words.

 

[irish_thug]

I've been pretty well behaved this year, what am I at?

Just two

 

[irish_thug]

Now I'm curious, @irish_thug. How many reports for me this year and last?

None for 2021, 5 for 2020.

 

[irish_thug]

Shoutout to @irish_thug for mod transparency.

How many reports do I have this year? I know my account is clean so far, but I'm wondering if there have been some toothless reports.

Only one

 

[irish_thug]

@irish_thug how many people were foolish enough to report me?

Two, both worthless

 

[irish_thug]

I'm afraid to ask. I seemed to have accumulated some haters.

Two for you

 

[irish_thug]

I made the same mistake in my brain for a second.

#metoo

 

[Mr Holmes]

Two for you

Thats not that bad.

Thanks for taking the time.

 

[Sketch]

Two, both worthless

Good to hear. Sounds like the memo's been read by all.

 

[Sketch]

Man I miss this guy as our mayor. Good times. RIP to the GOAT.



"Holy Christ!"

 

[Deleted member 579584]

@irish_thug how many times have I been reported?

 

[Andy Capp]

Depends entirely on the genre to me. Of course one wouldn't want a punk song to last more than 3 minutes.



Good Apollo, the one that the song I posted is from. In the six albums that followed, there are plenty of good traditional songs but really only one ("Gravity's Union" from around 2012) that is on par with GA imo.

I'm pretty agnostic about concept albums. Some do it well and some do it poorly. The good ones keep it vague so that the lyrics can be broadly accessible.

There's nothing vague about The Wall and it was a masterpiece.

 

[JDragon]

@tonni @JDragon As enlightened Euros whose countries have abolished the death penalty, what are your opinions on the subject? IIRC, even though it's abolished, a plurality of Europeans still favor it.

I'm personally a critic of the institution in terms of administration but supportive of it on principle. I used to feel the state shouldn't hold ultimate dominion over citizens' lives, but I've drifted to the point where I'm sympathetic to capital punishment in a number of situations. I personally favor extremely harsh sentences (if not execution) for forcible rape alone and automatic capital punishment for homicides involving rape or torture.

I have engaged in a number of discussions over the years. In short, fuck no.

Regarding my personal opinion, I have an ethical problem with the state making objects out of subjects (which is the case in the application of torture and death penalty, both of which are contrary to basic human dignity).

I accept that this is not viewed that way by everyone, however. To me, the death penalty should only be invoked when there are multiple very convincing ways to establish guilt.

We know that witness statements have been flawed (e.g. by the phenomenon of false memory) or falsified.

We know that confessions have been wrongly induced against weak suspects.

We know that police forces have falsified evidence to secure convictions.

We know that DNA evidence has been contaminated.

We know that video evidence is not always conclusive and will be easier to fake as AI becomes better.

Only if we have multiple, non-contradictory pieces of evidence of the above quality, I could be satisfied with applying an irrevocable punishment.

That is a grave misconception.

If the justice system was about victims, the process would be entirely different. The victims are only needed as witnesses in the trial against the accused.

There is no formal point in the entire process where victims are asked what they want. Just to make one point: There are many victims of assault that do not explicitly wish that the perpetrator gets jail time. Instead, they would rather understand why THEY became victims and now have to live with the consequences.

But the system is tailored to the accused.

The justice system is not equipped to serve the victim's needs. Victims of violent crime are often re-traumatized in court by being forced to go through their ordeal again and by just being seen as a resource to sentence the accused. The system does NOT achieve to give the victims justice. Your claim "The primary goal of the justice system is justice for the victims" could in fact not be more wrong! It is all about upholding the law and punishing lawbreakers. This is explicitly NOT the same as delivering justice to victims.

Whenever I see the utilitarian argument in favor of the death penalty made on the basis of deterrence, I wonder why torture is not mentioned as well. It can generally be considered as a lesser punishment (depending on the severity and long-term physical effects) and for most crimes would certainly serve the same purpose of deterrence.

I think the point is the different treatment of religions that results from the rule.

In any case, I agree with @Rod1. Getting up in arms about this is the wrong thing to get upset about considering even having the death penalty puts one's country on an exclusive list with shithole countries.

 

[LMP]

You guys should give @irish_thug a break on the report thing. Tag @TeTe instead, he loves this shit.

 

[Andy Capp]

@irish_thug how many people were foolish enough to report me?

What I started...
<{ByeHomer}>

LOL