War Room Longue V. 73: Royal Rumble

[PolishHeadlock2]

Not saying you're racist, just a difference in business philosophy. If you're in an industry that's you can pull that off, more power to you tbh. I understand that sometimes more stringent standards are necessary for a number of reasons. Construction for instance, where you could get it caught in a moving part and incur the wrath of OSHA. Or publicly facing positions, like account executives or somehing.

My industry though? That wouldn't fly. You'd literally have candidates walk out because it's a buyer's market. I regularly have companies offering to comp relocation, comp cars, give pay raises, signing bonuses, if I walked into a company and they even mentioned my hair in a negative context i'd have 5 more suitors by the time I hit the door. Talent wins out more often than not, because they know that talent means money.

I still remember the jobs fairs at Drexel and stark difference in appearance between the business majors, engineers and comp sci.

You dudes just rolling out of bed and strolling right into the fair while we were all suited up

 

[MMAisGod]

Not saying you're racist, just a difference in business philosophy. If you're in an industry that's you can pull that off, more power to you tbh. I understand that sometimes more stringent standards are necessary for a number of reasons. Construction for instance, where you could get it caught in a moving part and incur the wrath of OSHA. Or publicly facing positions, like account executives or somehing.

My industry though? That wouldn't fly. You'd literally have candidates walk out because it's a buyer's market. I regularly have companies offering to comp relocation, comp cars, give pay raises, signing bonuses, if I walked into a company and they even mentioned my hair in a negative context i'd have 5 more suitors by the time I hit the door. Talent wins out more often than not, because they know that talent means money.

Hmm, you might have a point. I've been kinda gauging this exclusively from my industry and own perspective internally. Huge corporate financial firm with a lot of client facing interactions. The appearance tends to be pretty important because of the generalizations that occur when you have to have those meetings, those interactions, deals, etc, that I tend to lean heavily for the more "professional" looks. Sometimes you could have a guy who could potentially be more talented in finance/analysis/risk, but less effective when client facing. I once had a guy that had that "fuzzy frat boy hair" type of style who was amazing, but couldn't shake the image (that and a neck tattoo). I wouldn't risk it in this world.

I saw someone mentioning tech earlier which I can picture not having the same effect, as the natural talent would win out. That candidate in that field could be too desirable to let walk to the competition, and the overall interactions are vastly different. I can picture the health industry being similar, because if I need a trusted doctor, I could care less about how he/she looks and only care about their experience/reputation/skills. Seeing the bigger picture outside of a vacuum makes more sense in a way that if I was in a different industry, I'd care more about how presentable they are with the hairstyle (are they fresh/clean, does the style look up-kept), than the style itself.

 

[Higus]

My point is that the new ruling eliminates that line, and any judgement made on any kind of "natural" hair style, could be considered discrimination.

All in all though, it would be very hard to prove that you got fired/not hired because of your hair, unless the employer was stupid enough to outright state that as the reason.

There is no universal line, so people shouldn't bother trying to define it.
The hair issue is no different than any other form of discrimination. If it's a blatant problem enough to be recognized reasonably by others, it may escalate to a civil court issue.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Can't just post normal porn, gotta go grossing everyone out in the process.

Bastards.

Rest in Piss Randy

 

[Islam Imamate]

Well looks like so far there's been no theater shootings at Joker screenings. Let's hope it lasts.

 

[MMAisGod]

Well looks like so far there's been no theater shootings at Joker screenings. Let's hope it lasts.

I'm going to see it with the wife tomorrow night, and we're going strapped like Rambo to the theater.


Just in case.

 

[Trotsky]

My point is that the new ruling eliminates that line, and any judgement made on any kind of "natural" hair style, could be considered discrimination.

All in all though, it would be very hard to prove that you got fired/not hired because of your hair, unless the employer was stupid enough to outright state that as the reason.

It would seem that a lot of responses to that thread/law, including this one here, stem from a fundamental misunderstanding of how laws work. There are limits to the comprehensiveness of words, which is why inevitable ambiguity on one side is counterbalanced by judicial inference and reasoning on the other. If there are frivolous challenges under the law (there likely will be), then the accused employer will fight the accusation (absolutely, to both avoid liability and shield itself from future liability), and the judiciary will promulgate standards consistent with the law's text and purpose.

As far as provability goes, yeah, it's just like any other discrimination law: it will require evidence of the discrimination.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Well looks like so far there's been no theater shootings at Joker screenings. Let's hope it lasts.

I haven't gone yet.


Edit: bad joke

 

[HereticBD]

Well looks like so far there's been no theater shootings at Joker screenings. Let's hope it lasts.

The dog whistling media must be irritated.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

The dog whistling media must be irritated.

yea, no kidding.

they tried so hard to push forward this ridiculous narrative.

 

[JDragon]

Peak Teutonic cuisine?

I added this

containing a hint of Bhut

 

[Trotsky]

I'm going to see it with the wife tomorrow night, and we're going strapped like Rambo to the theater.


Just in case.

I felt like this iteration was a great chance for a black Joker, and it seems like having Fleck be a black man in this feature would both explore new terrain for the character and avoid insisting upon problematic and/or hurtful stereotypes about single white men and the weird Hollywood trope that only white people experience alienation. I mean, it's not a new concept - the middle-aged, under-achieving, socially stunted person lashing out against the world - yet it's seemingly always a white guy.

 

[Islam Imamate]

yea, no kidding.

they tried so hard to push forward this ridiculous narrative.

What narrative? That there would be a shooting? I don't think its that ridiculous given, most of us still remember Aurora and we've had a few high profile mass shootings this year.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'm going to see it with the wife tomorrow night, and we're going strapped like Rambo to the theater.


Just in case.

Can't wait a week? Personally I almost never see a movie theater on opening week. Not because of mass shootings for the most part, I just like empty theaters.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

What narrative? That there would be a shooting? I don't think its that ridiculous given, most of us still remember Aurora and we've had a few high profile mass shootings this year.

the narrative that the Joker (the film) is going to appeal to so many incels and may encourage them to violence

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Yeah I don't get it, feels like such a small concession and really a non-issue.

I do think visible piercings and tattoos are unprofessional though. For me if its a tattoo you can cover up with a short sleeve shirt its fine. So basically, no neck tats or sleeves/forearm tats.

What's wrong with a long sleeve shirt?

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Is anyone ravenously hungry today? If so what do you plan to consume?

Smoked beef rib with a side of lost souls.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I'm trying to catch up and haven't gotten far so forgive me if this is mystery is solved elsewhere ITT, but...Hunh?

Styles for kinky hair being protected so you can have styles like braids without worrying about being discriminated against when you look for a job. Some people think of it meaning the style itself has to be natural, as in just the way your hair grows out, while the point is to protect styles used while leaving your hair in it's natural state without having to use chemicals on it.

 

[Ruprecht]

Is anyone ravenously hungry today? If so what do you plan to consume?

Tom Kha Gai and I'll spice it up with this:

Spoiler

Can't wait a week? Personally I almost never see a movie theater on opening week. Not because of mass shootings for the most part, I just like empty theaters.

I guess imitation shooters are always a possibility. I'm with you on the empty theaters though. People that talk and carry on during movies really piss me off.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

It's not really a concession on anything but professionalism. What constitutes "natural" hair, and should there be any limits on it, whether it's a black guy with a 3 foot afro, or a white guy with hair down to their ass? When is it okay to ask them to look professional and cut it, because they have a business meeting coming up, and appearances do matter?

Is it just a free for all now?

Natural doesn't mean unkempt. You have to take it to an extreme to be offended by it.