Media Walt Harris calls out Derrick Lewis

[GIBLERTBAPTISTA]

Would be an entertaining 40 seconds.

 

[Raptors2019]

Any fight at HW at this point will be good for the division that's slowly dying

 

[Safton]

You're providing no context to those wins. Spivak was much worse at that point then he is now and Oleinik is ancient my dude. The whole point of my post was to highlight that Walt Harris is a prime example of the HW division being trash. He wouldn't be here in any other weight class most likely. You saying there's worse HW's doesn't change my original post at all

Yes, Spivak improved after that fight, but even at that point he was seen as a scary undefeated 9-0 prospect with a legit grappling pedigree and the point is that the win aged well. Aleksei Oleinik has pretty much been ancient his entire MMA career, the fact is that he's still won of the more notable submission specialists at Heavyweight. He was Top 10 with a 6-3 record in the promotion at the time Harris knocked him out. Oleinik dropped off sharply in these past few years; back in 2019 he was still live to pick up the occasional win.

You can backpedal all you want, but I answered a very specific question from your initial post and you keep yelling like a toddler about "YES BUT HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION TRASH! NOT GOOD! LOOK AT EXAMPLE!" when literally no one is arguing those points. You wanted to know why the UFC is keeping the fighter Walt Harris around and the reason is because -- on top of the various business, PR, and optics-oriented reasons that were very relevant at the time of his skid -- his resume is unfortunately slightly better than a lot of active Heavyweights still on the roster and there are even some guys at the lower weight classes who have UFC records about as bad who haven't been cut yet. Yet the UFC hasn't done a mass cull just yet and previous precedent suggests they aren't going to so long as they can milk these guys for what they can.

 

[StonedLemur]

Walt Harris is still fighting? Thought he quietly retired

Who would blame him if he did though.
He's been through some serious shit the last few years sir.

 

[SkinnyClaw]

Again, it's more nonsense lol. If he was 6-4 in his current run, he was 0-5 in his previous run which was only separated by 1 fight outside the UFC. What happened with his daughter should have no bearing on if he stays in now he's been finished twice since then and looked terrible in the process. Also lmaoo and the Jon comment. Take away the one NC which is the only actually fight he popped in, and Jon's resume is still the top 3 of all time. Even if you give Walt that late career Arvlowski win, he still is worse than a lot of HW's

Are you some kind of psychopath, why do you care so much? Is the guy having a job somehow hurting you? What a shitty attitude to have to openly complain that a man is not being fired.

 

[Willy Knuckles]

Are you some kind of psychopath, why do you care so much? Is the guy having a job somehow hurting you? What a shitty attitude to have to openly complain that a man is not being fired.

The question was rhetorical lol I'm actually shocked this is the hill you guys are dying on. The fact of the matter is the guy has done nothing of note in 10 years and it's a perfect representation of the horrible HW division. You keep harping on one little part of my comment and idk why haha it's so weird. And now I'm a psychopath? Hahaha wtf

 

[Willy Knuckles]

Yes, Spivak improved after that fight, but even at that point he was seen as a scary undefeated 9-0 prospect with a legit grappling pedigree and the point is that the win aged well. Aleksei Oleinik has pretty much been ancient his entire MMA career, the fact is that he's still won of the more notable submission specialists at Heavyweight. He was Top 10 with a 6-3 record in the promotion at the time Harris knocked him off. Oleinik dropped off sharply in these past few years; back in 2019 he was still live to pick up the occasional win.

You can backpedal all you want, but I answered a very specific question from your initial post and you keep yelling like a toddler about "YES BUT HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION TRASH! NOT GOOD! LOOK AT EXAMPLE!" when literally no one is arguing those points. You wanted to know why the UFC is keeping the fighter Walt Harris around and the reason is because -- on top of the various business, PR, and optics-oriented reasons that were very relevant at the time of his skid -- his resume is unfortunately slightly better than a lot of active Heavyweights still on the roster and there are even some guys at the lower weight classes who have UFC records about as bad who haven't been cut yet. Yet the UFC hasn't done a mass cull just yet and previous precedent suggests they aren't going to so long as they can milk these guys for what they can.

It was a rhetorical lol. I'm not getting how you don't understand this. Plus your first comment was virtue signaling about his step daughter as if my statement somehow disrespected that part of his life. The comment as I said before is a perfect example of the shitty HW division, the "how does he still have roster spot" wasn't an invitation for some random sherdogger to speculate on. The whole point is the only reason he is on the roster is because he is a HW, if you aren't arguing that then why tf did you respond? To answer a rhetorical question? Wtf haha

 

[TCE]

The question was rhetorical lol I'm actually shocked this is the hill you guys are dying on. The fact of the matter is the guy has done nothing of note in 10 years and it's a perfect representation of the horrible HW division. You keep harping on one little part of my comment and idk why haha it's so weird. And now I'm a psychopath? Hahaha wtf

What organization has a better HW division?

 

[Willy Knuckles]

What organization has a better HW division?

It's probably the UFC because the top of the division like Jon,Gane, aspinal and Pavlovich. Outside of that though, bellators stacks up pretty well. A lot of UFC guys would struggle with the bellator division just because they have more/better grapplers

 

[TCE]

It's probably the UFC because the top of the division like Jon,Gane, aspinal and Pavlovich. Outside of that though, bellators stacks up pretty well. A lot of UFC guys would struggle with the bellator division just because they have more/better grapplers

Bellators HW roster:

UFC's HW roster:

 

[Safton]

It was a rhetorical lol. I'm not getting how you don't understand this. Plus your first comment was virtue signaling about his step daughter as if my statement somehow disrespected that part of his life. The comment as I said before is a perfect example of the shitty HW division, the "how does he still have roster spot" wasn't an invitation for some random sherdogger to speculate on.

More backpedaling. Trying to hide behind a question you ask on an open debate forum by insisting after the fact that it was totally rhetorical all along because you don't like the answer you're getting is just precious. Even if it was rhetorical, my answer would still stand.

It wasn't "virtue signaling". Stop using words you hear on some YouTube channel or Reddit. I wasn't saying: "Oh you monster, how dare you insist he be fired. He lost his stepdaughter and as such should get unlimited free chances plus a charity title shot". I grounded the decision of the UFC to hold onto him this long and let him fight out his contract -- something they already do with negative fighters at every weight class -- by pointing out the very real PR/optics issue surrounding his particular case and the fact that Dana White had gotten personally invested in him. These are the kinds of things that affect business decisions every day in real life in every part of the private sector in case you weren't aware.

The whole point is the only reason he is on the roster is because he is a HW, if you aren't arguing that then why tf did you respond? To answer a rhetorical question? Wtf haha

The better question is if your point was solely "lul HW division bad" then why not just post that particular "contribution" somewhere? Why come into a thread specifically about Walt Harris and ask why the man is still on the roster and then get pissy when you receive answers that don't conform to your narrative and preconceived notions?

"Wtf haha" indeed.

 

[Willy Knuckles]

More backpedaling. Trying to hide behind a question you ask on an open debate by insisting after the fact that it was totally rhetorical all along because you don't like the answer you're getting is just precious. Even if it was rhetorical, my answer would still stand.

It wasn't "virtue signaling". Stop using words you hear on some YouTube channel or Reddit. I wasn't saying: "Oh you monster, how dare you insist he be fired. He lost his stepdaughter and should get unlimited free chances plus a charity title shot". I grounded the decision of the UFC to hold onto him this long and let him fight out his contract -- something they already do with negative fighters at every weight class -- by pointing out the very real PR/optics issue surrounding his particular case and the fact that Dana White had gotten personally invested in him. These are the kinds of things that affect business decisions every day in the real life in every part of the private sector in case you weren't aware.



The better question is if your point was solely "lul HW division bad" then why not just post that particular "contribution" somewhere? Why come into a thread specifically about Walt Harris and ask why the man is still on the roster and then get pissy when you receive answers that don't conform to your narrative and preconceived notions?

"Wtf haha" indeed.

You're calling me pissy, saying I'm throwing tantrums, yet look at your responses compared to mine? Why would you bring up his step daughter and mentioned she was murdered as a response to me if you weren't virtue signaling? You really think they are keeping him because of what happened with his step daughter? It was 100% a rhetorical question considering that it was only like 10 percent of my comment. My whole point of commenting is pointing out that he is a perfect example of the HW division being ass, it's clearly stated. All you did was reinforce my point by mentioning more HW's who are also ass and still on the roster. You can scream and shout that I'm backpedaling, but my point has been the same from the very start. Never claimed he was the worst fighter on the roster, never claimed I didn't give af about his stepdaughter, and I engaged with your points about why he should stay and addressed all of them. You are triggerd sir lol

 

[Willy Knuckles]

Bellators HW roster:

UFC's HW roster:

Wow a screen shot huh? Should have known I'd lose this debate to a pink belt haha. You proved your point bro, you got me

 

[Safton]

You're calling me pissy, saying I'm throwing tantrums, yet look at your responses compared to mine?

What about my responses do you take issue with exactly? You can't just say "look at your responses!" That's not a valid complaint. You are acting pissy about the replies you're getting to a question you asked by saying things like "wtf I can't believe you guys are willing to die on this hill" and demanding why the fuck I responded... to an open-ended question... on a debate forum... Nah, not pissy at all

Why would you bring up his step daughter and mentioned she was murdered as a response to me if you weren't virtue signaling? You really think they are keeping him because of what happened with his step daughter?

Why would I bring up his stepdaughter for a reason other than virtue-signaling? Oh, I dunno. Maybe my various posts can shine some light on the matter as if I haven't already repeated myself ad nauseam.

He was ranked and on a win streak with a lot of finishes until 2019 when, y'know, his stepdaughter got kidnapped and murdered in a case that made national news and which Dana hinself donated money to.

Dana White got himself and the UFC invested in said personal tragedy on a financial & media basis... The UFC often lets fighters fight out their contracts when feasible; they probably see it as a no-brainer to do so in this situation considering the narrative involved

I couldn't care less whether you think what happened with his daughter should have any bearing on if he stays, but it's adorable that you think you have a say in the matter. In the world we live in, Dana White got himself and the company heavily invested with the kidnapping and subsequent murder by donating money and promising to support Walt and his family. It made national news. In the eyes of the company, it would have been a bad move to immediately cut the dead weight that was Walt Harris soon after he got KO'd three times in the wake of all that -- especially at a time when they need good PR. Letting him fight out his current contract before simply not re-signing him is a much cleaner way of doing things for them.

There's more, but I'm tired of pulling quotes. You get the point. It's almost like every time I brought up his stepdaughter I did so by putting it in the context of how the UFC & Dana were now invested in him from an optics (and financial) perspective. That's like... the opposite of virtue signaling, if anything. But hey, keep throwing that word around like a scarlet letter accusation because you think it means something that it doesn't lmfao

It was 100% a rhetorical question considering that it was only like 10 percent of my comment. My whole point of commenting is pointing out that he is a perfect example of the HW division being ass, it's clearly stated. All you did was reinforce my point by mentioning more HW's who are also ass and still on the roster. You can scream and shout that I'm backpedaling, but my point has been the same from the very start. Never claimed he was the worst fighter on the roster, never claimed I didn't give af about his stepdaughter, and I engaged with your points about why he should stay and addressed all of them.

You can insist it's rhetorical all you want. My answer and previous point stands. You asked a question, I gave you an answer, and you tried to argue the answer before only several posts in deciding "Oh, wait, never mind. It was totally rhetorical all along!" You wouldn't have clung so vehemently to the idea of how Walt shouldn't have a job and that his wins weren't actually that good if that was never what your post was about at all in the first place.

I'm not denying that you are/were saying HW is ass, I'm saying that you also asked a tangential question of why Walt Harris is still in the UFC and then acted unreasonable in receiving answers to that question. The fact that you even think I care whether you "give af" about his stepdaughter shows that you fundamentally misunderstand the situation, amongst other things.

You are triggerd sir lol

If I got "triggerd" by randos on a karate forum saying silly things I would have died of high blood pressure or something years ago. But sure, if it helps you sleep better at night thinking that I'm over here just seeeething with rage, go for it bud.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Thought Harris had retired but I'd like this one to come to fruition. Lewis probably KO's him.

 

[Deleted member 587672]

Either Walt is punching his ticket. End of shift, or is prepping for a turn-around.

Quite limited in his development but dangerous power.
I like Walt.
Who doesn't?

Let's go Big Ticket!

 

[Ace70 V2]

Well he KO'd Alexey Oleynik in 12 seconds. Also, I think he's getting a bit of a leeway because of what happened to his step daughter, which is perfectly understandable.

I was thinking the same thing. Just didn't want to say it

 

[Poirierfan]

Walt Harris beats Lewis imo, he's fast and Derrick doesn't like getting hit.

 

[Goldentrophy]

Walt Harris is a prime example of how bad the UFC HW division has been. Dude has been in the UFC for 10 years and achieved literally nothing lol. How is he still on the roster?

For several of those years, he fought exceedingly compromised so using 10 years as a scale is disingenuous.

 

[Willy Knuckles]

For several of those years, he fought exceedingly compromised so using 10 years as a scale is disingenuous.

several years? Bro what?