Media Usman slams Khamzat forward into the mat to break his rear naked choke attempt

[flektarn]

It’s gonna take somebody getting paralyzed for a rule change which sucks. If you’re in the street and somebody has your back like that, by all means because once you go out, Herzog’s not gonna run up and save you. But in a sport match…I just hate seeing this because it’s gonna happen.

how much fucking advantages do you want to give the guy already in a dominant position, lmao?
Easy way to not get slammed? Let go of the body triangle

this isn't like rampage slamming arona

 

[Gum_drop]

It is but theres another "unspoken rule" that counters many of these situations and that rule is called... "the heat of the moment".

You may've heard the term used before along with "playing the game". These unspoken rules that are basically the ref's call.

It's illegal to spike someone on the head...BUT...it's not illegal for you to fall forward based on position. Intentionally head spiking is a no no...but flipping forward with someone on your back is not. For it to be illegal you would have to grab the persons head and then flip guiding their head to the ground to prove "intentional damage" from a illegal tactic.

Exactly, per the unified MMA rules via the UFC official site.

It should be noted when a fighter is placed into a submission hold by their opponent, if that fighter is capable of elevating their opponent they may bring that opponent down in any fashion they desire because they are not in control of their opponent’s body. The fighter who is attempting the submission can either adjust their position or let go of their hold before being slammed to the canvas.

 

[Yabadabaev]

why didnt Poirier slammed Oliviera ?

 

[gentel]

What do you think about this move?

Any other man in the MW division would’ve been finished. Usman had the best TDD in UFC history at that time, Chimaev got him down and nearly submitted him. Strickland, DDP, Izzy, it wouldn’t have mattered. Chimaev would’ve won the title right then.

This move sums up Usman being a savage with that championship-level experience. Almost anyone else would've been done there and Usman slammed his way out

Usman deserved a 28-28 draw, lost the first round 10-8 but won R2 and R3

 

[pick999]

And Usman still did more damage crazy

 

[payton]

This move sums up Usman being a savage with that championship-level experience. Almost anyone else would've been done there and Usman slammed his way out

Usman deserved a 28-28 draw, lost the first round 10-8 but won R2 and R3

It’s a crime this fight wasn’t 5 rounds

 

[chinarice]

Rich Franklin broke his hand and continued to bludgeon The Crow with it.

Lol you really comparing David Loiseau to Kamaru Usman? Cmon man

 

[RampageFaction]

how much fucking advantages do you want to give the guy already in a dominant position, lmao?
Easy way to not get slammed? Let go of the body triangle

this isn't like rampage slamming arona

That doesn’t make sense. Letting go of the body triangle wouldn’t have changed anything. His hooks would still be in, his head would still be right behind Usman, and he still almost gets spiked on his neck. The danger comes from Usman’s dive forward, not from whether Khamzat had his legs triangled or not. And the crazy part is, that motion creates the exact same injury risk as an illegal spike, it just isn’t written that way in the rulebook. The fact that it’s technically legal doesn’t make it any less dangerous.

What you’re essentially saying is “Don’t end up in that position.” What I’m saying is “guys end up in this position regularly in MMA, so we need a rule or somebody is 100% going to end up paralyzed from this.” Sometimes safety rules take away from the sport…but nobody wants to see someone get paralyzed from this.

And the “oh well fighters should just be smarter” argument….these are the same people ruining their bodies and health for a .0001% advantage. You can’t expect them to make rational decisions.

 

[RampageFaction]

Pretty sure that spiking someone on his head is illegal in unified rules. Obviously judges tend to not see that stuff. Just like kicks to the back of the head. I guess you can argue he could have just let go. My counter argument would be - there window to do that was very small.

The spiking rule only applies to piledriver moves, which doesn’t make sense because the end result is the same you are driving the top of your opponent’s head into the canvas risking a spinal injury. And I agree with you, when you have someone’s back like that hooks in or body triangle or whatever… You can’t just let go in a split second when the guy decides to do that.

 

[SaltedVinegarfootstomps]

Sadly this turned out to be the last stand for Kamarus knees

 

[Captain Herb]

The spiking rule only applies to piledriver moves, which doesn’t make sense because the end result is the same you are driving the top of your opponent’s head into the canvas risking a spinal injury. And I agree with you, when you have someone’s back like that hooks in or body triangle or whatever… You can’t just let go in a split second when the guy decides to do that.

You let go with your arms and brace your fall. It's not that hard to do, but Chimaev didn't want to let go

 

[dog y]

Crying boy is gonna milk that minor hip injury forever. Dominated at 7, forever.

 

[flektarn]

That doesn’t make sense. Letting go of the body triangle wouldn’t have changed anything. His hooks would still be in, his head would still be right behind Usman, and he still almost gets spiked on his neck. The danger comes from Usman’s dive forward, not from whether Khamzat had his legs triangled or not. And the crazy part is, that motion creates the exact same injury risk as an illegal spike, it just isn’t written that way in the rulebook. The fact that it’s technically legal doesn’t make it any less dangerous.

What you’re essentially saying is “Don’t end up in that position.” What I’m saying is “guys end up in this position regularly in MMA, so we need a rule or somebody is 100% going to end up paralyzed from this.” Sometimes safety rules take away from the sport…but nobody wants to see someone get paralyzed from this.

And the “oh well fighters should just be smarter” argument….these are the same people ruining their bodies and health for a .0001% advantage. You can’t expect them to make rational decisions.

he doesn't get slammed nearly as bad if the body triangle isn't in. and by "let go of the body triangle" that doesn't mean he keeps his legs hooked in, either. you let go of the position. Usman isn't GRABBING Khamzat and slamming him. Khamzat is HOLDING on to Usman. If he gets slammed, that's on his dumbass for not letting go of the submission. Khamzat has plenty of opportunities to let go or change position before he gets slammed with Usman when he dives like that.
If a fighter is fully in control of avoiding getting slammed by simply letting go of a position I don't see why it should be illegal, especially a position like an RNC where it's easy to just let go. A triangle is a bit different so there's a decent argument there.

 

[Streeter]

That fight was so weird. Hamsa absolutely dominated Usman in that first round in a way we’ve never seen.

Ecatly what damage did he do in the total domination like I never seen. Are you confusing tbe Usman fight with Bobby?

Usman took no real damage Bobby I can say I never seen a fighters teeth pop out before from a crank so I guess I can give him that.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Ecatly what damage did he do in the total domination like I never seen. Are you confusing tbe Usman fight with Bobby?

Usman took no real damage Bobby I can say I never seen a fighters teeth pop out before from a crank so I guess I can give him that.

Usman: #1 TDD in UFC before Hazmat fight. Then, proceeds to let up 4 TD’s and went from 97% to 89%. Yes, hamsa factually dominated Usman in way that no one else has.

 

[Streeter]

Usman: #1 TDD in UFC before Hazmat fight. Then, proceeds to let up 4 TD’s and went from 97% to 89%. Yes, hamsa factually dominated Usman in way that no one else has.

But he didnt though. Was he dominant sure but NO DAMAGE . FFS we see someone have dominant control for a whole rd getting take downs etc with no real damage every card or nearly lol. So ummmm. No

Might have something g with the Bobby fight but not the Usman fight

 

[Trabaho]

Looks cool

What do you think about this move?

Effective

Any other man in the MW division would’ve been finished.

Why ? He landed on his arm first.

 

[FreedomCricket]

That fight was so weird. Hamsa absolutely dominated Usman in that first round in a way we’ve never seen. Then, he fades down the stretch vs a short notice Usman at a weight class he normally doesn’t fight at.

Hamsat broke his hand on this slam. Which is why the 2nd two rounds were not dominant like the first one was.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

But he didnt though. Was he dominant sure but NO DAMAGE . FFS we see someone have dominant control for a whole rd getting take downs etc with no real damage every card or nearly lol. So ummmm. No

Might have something g with the Bobby fight but not the Usman fight

He dominated Usman in the grappling. Is that better? Sorry, would have been more specific if I knew this would send you into a downward spiral.

 

[Streeter]

He dominated Usman in the grappling. Is that better? Sorry, would have been more specific if I knew this would send you into a downward spiral.

I just told you the truth . Your the one that doesn't seem to be able to handle it for some reason . Oh well