Crime Use it in a Sentence (special counsel thread v. 25)

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I’m not sure if anyone has posted this, but very in interesting none the less...

Entire floor of d.c. federal courthouse sealed off for mystery case.


20637_court12.jpg



Worth noting Howell.
  1. Judge Howell was the one that unsealed the "Watergate Road Map", on Oct 11.
  2. This case was originally brought to docket on Oct 10.
  3. This case has the same judge (Howell) as the one who unsealed the roadmap.
  4. Howell has already ruled in the past that Mueller's mandate is constitutional.

When a person uses the attorney-client relationship to further a criminal scheme,” wrote U.S. Chief Judge Beryl Howell in the once-secret ruling, “the law is well established that a claim of attorney-client or work-product privilege must yield to the grand jury’s investigatory needs.” In other words, when a client commits a crime and the lawyer is in on it, or vice versa, both may as well forget about any claim of privilege that may exist between them. Their privileged interactions, so long as they’re connected to a criminal enterprise, are fair game for prosecutors."

Trump is toast... like Nixon toast

https://www.ajc.com/news/national-g...-off-for-mystery-case/JyerATnO5wL4gJKcS6nVJP/


Very likely that mueller had already subpoened trump.

Another interesting event
Trump’s sole appointee to that court, Gregory Katsas, recused himself
 
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grizzard2bid said:
Well, he's a lawyer and was in charge of that area of government. I'm sure he has his biases, but if he can make a case for acquitting Trump, so can a good defense lawyer(lol and I'm not sure I mean Rudy Giuliani ). Can you imagine Rudy defending Don in court. Thing would be comedic gold.
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The Rudy Memes would be Epic with those facial expressions he makes.
 
Edison Carasio said:
Calling anonymous people with no discernible race on a message who say "trump dindu nuffin" is racist? Please explain, snowflake.
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It is.

But if you're a Liberal, nothing will happen to you so don't worry. <Moves>
 
glenwo2 said:
VON SPAKOVSKY: Cohen and Trump didn't violate campaign finance law

Those hoping the president’s former personal attorney, Michael Cohen, will provide the evidence needed to impeach the president and perhaps even “lock him up” are likely headed for a bitter disappointment. The Cohen guilty pleas are likely irrelevant to the fate of President Trump.

That’s because – as someone who served for two years as a member of the Federal Election Commission – the campaign finance law violations that Cohen pleaded guilty to committing, allegedly at Donald Trump’s direction, aren’t really violations.

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Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison by a federal judge and was also ordered to pay almost $2 million in fines, restitution and forfeitures after earlier pleading guilty to multiple counts of business and tax fraud. Those crimes have absolutely nothing to do with Trump, but rather involve Cohen’s own business dealings.

In addition, Cohen was sentenced on his guilty pleas to violating campaign finance law on Trump’s behalf – an action that, as I will explain, was not really a crime at all.

And finally, Cohen’s sentence included punishment for his guilty plea to making false statements to Congress regarding failed efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

The applicable federal sentencing guidelines for the crimes Cohen pleaded guilty to call for a prison sentence ranging from just over four years to just over five years.

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Many campaign finance law experts and fellow former commissioners of the Federal Election Commission agree with me that Cohen’s did not commit an actual violation of federal law.

Cohen has stated he arranged hush-money payments to two women – adult-film actress Stormy Daniels and Playboy model Karen McDougal – to not make public their unproven allegations of extramarital affairs with Donald Trump years ago. Trump has denied the allegations.

As a former Federal Election Commission member that such payments were not “campaign-related” – and therefore the rules and regulations governing campaign contributions don’t apply.

In fact, the only time the Justice Department has ever tried to make such a claim before – against former Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina – the Justice Department lost.

Furthermore, the Federal Election Commission – an independent federal agency responsible for civil enforcement of campaign finance law – didn’t consider the hush-money donations to the Edwards campaign to be campaign-related expenditures when it audited the Edwards campaign.

The bottom line: Cohen was “persuaded” to plead guilty to an action that was not an actual violation of the law.

Convicting Donald Trump of a criminal campaign finance violation will be extremely difficult, if not impossible. Just as Edwards was found not guilty, the same is likely to happen to President Trump if he is charged while he is president or after he leaves the White House.

As for the claim the hush-money payments would be an impeachable offense, members of Congress would have to explain why prior cases in which campaigns like that of Barack Obama paid civil penalties to the Federal Election Commission for violations of federal campaign finance law were not grounds for impeachment.

It certainly is possible that Cohen and others have provided some kind of evidence to Mueller that will prove that the Trump campaign somehow colluded with Russian officials. But if so, this evidence has not yet been publicly revealed.

In sentencing Cohen, U.S. District Judge William H. Pauley agreed with the prosecution’s claims that Cohen was motivated by “personal greed and ambition.”

But nothing in the charges Cohen pleaded guilty to provides any evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian government to affect the outcome of the 2016 election, or that Trump violated campaign finance law. And even Trump’s bitterest opponents don’t claim he had any role in Cohen’s taxi business.

So while the headlines blare and Trump opponents line up on TV to say the Cohen plea could mean future criminal charges against President Trump and serve as grounds for impeachment, don’t be so sure.


<WellThere><WellThere><WellThere>

Awaiting the arrival of the Liberal-clown car. Yay.
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To bad stavonsky isn’t the judge of this..

“When a person uses the attorney-client relationship to further a criminal scheme,” wrote U.S. Chief Judge Beryl Howell in the once-secret ruling, “the law is well established that a claim of attorney-client or work-product privilege must yield to the grand jury’s investigatory needs.” In other words, when a client commits a crime and the lawyer is in on it, or vice versa, both may as well forget about any claim of privilege that may exist between them. Their privileged interactions, so long as they’re connected to a criminal enterprise, are fair game for prosecutors."

But Howell is.
 
Holy shit the righties on here are mentally ill. glen you are one pathetic loser lol.
 
grizzard2bid said:
This is what we were discussing earlier. There are many more expert people who believe these were not violations and felonies, or at least are not clear-cut as we would falsely assume.

Good article.
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We know for fact this is a very serious law breach that is applied with non-partisan zeal.

John Edwards was hardly a polarizing character and yet they went at him with the full force of the law. The only thing that saved him was the difficulty in proving 'intent' which is necessary for a prosecution on this to stick. Trump has been nice enough to gift wrap his intent so he is in quite a pickle over this.
 
Trotsky said:
I've never realized how badly I want this.
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hillelslovak87 said:
Prosecutor - Mr. Giuliani, where was Donald J. Trump on the evening of October 4th, 2016?

Giuliani - Listen, he might have murdered that lady, but he didn't bur-. He didn't commit a crime. I tell you, he's a moron, I just don't know if he knew intent. What was the question?
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He will be bring on Alan Dershowitz to manage at a minimum, the constitutional issues. Alan has been campaigning for that job for over a year now and you can bet the POTUS likes what he hears.
 
glenwo2 said:
VON SPAKOVSKY: Cohen and Trump didn't violate campaign finance law

Those hoping the president’s former personal attorney, Michael Cohen, will provide the evidence needed to impeach the president and perhaps even “lock him up” are likely headed for a bitter disappointment. The Cohen guilty pleas are likely irrelevant to the fate of President Trump.

That’s because – as someone who served for two years as a member of the Federal Election Commission – the campaign finance law violations that Cohen pleaded guilty to committing, allegedly at Donald Trump’s direction, aren’t really violations.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison by a federal judge and was also ordered to pay almost $2 million in fines, restitution and forfeitures after earlier pleading guilty to multiple counts of business and tax fraud. Those crimes have absolutely nothing to do with Trump, but rather involve Cohen’s own business dealings.

In addition, Cohen was sentenced on his guilty pleas to violating campaign finance law on Trump’s behalf – an action that, as I will explain, was not really a crime at all.

And finally, Cohen’s sentence included punishment for his guilty plea to making false statements to Congress regarding failed efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

The applicable federal sentencing guidelines for the crimes Cohen pleaded guilty to call for a prison sentence ranging from just over four years to just over five years.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Many campaign finance law experts and fellow former commissioners of the Federal Election Commission agree with me that Cohen’s did not commit an actual violation of federal law.

Cohen has stated he arranged hush-money payments to two women – adult-film actress Stormy Daniels and Playboy model Karen McDougal – to not make public their unproven allegations of extramarital affairs with Donald Trump years ago. Trump has denied the allegations.

As a former Federal Election Commission member that such payments were not “campaign-related” – and therefore the rules and regulations governing campaign contributions don’t apply.

In fact, the only time the Justice Department has ever tried to make such a claim before – against former Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina – the Justice Department lost.

Furthermore, the Federal Election Commission – an independent federal agency responsible for civil enforcement of campaign finance law – didn’t consider the hush-money donations to the Edwards campaign to be campaign-related expenditures when it audited the Edwards campaign.

The bottom line: Cohen was “persuaded” to plead guilty to an action that was not an actual violation of the law.

Convicting Donald Trump of a criminal campaign finance violation will be extremely difficult, if not impossible. Just as Edwards was found not guilty, the same is likely to happen to President Trump if he is charged while he is president or after he leaves the White House.

As for the claim the hush-money payments would be an impeachable offense, members of Congress would have to explain why prior cases in which campaigns like that of Barack Obama paid civil penalties to the Federal Election Commission for violations of federal campaign finance law were not grounds for impeachment.

It certainly is possible that Cohen and others have provided some kind of evidence to Mueller that will prove that the Trump campaign somehow colluded with Russian officials. But if so, this evidence has not yet been publicly revealed.

In sentencing Cohen, U.S. District Judge William H. Pauley agreed with the prosecution’s claims that Cohen was motivated by “personal greed and ambition.”

But nothing in the charges Cohen pleaded guilty to provides any evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian government to affect the outcome of the 2016 election, or that Trump violated campaign finance law. And even Trump’s bitterest opponents don’t claim he had any role in Cohen’s taxi business.

So while the headlines blare and Trump opponents line up on TV to say the Cohen plea could mean future criminal charges against President Trump and serve as grounds for impeachment, don’t be so sure.


<WellThere><WellThere><WellThere>

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Not being well versed on campaign finance laws , I don't know if what Trump and Cohen did was illegal. But the guy you site using the word "likely" to describe the nature of the violations is unbecoming of someone who proclaims to know the law. It either is illegal or is not legal.

"That’s because – as someone who served for two years as a member of the Federal Election Commission – the campaign finance law violations that Cohen pleaded guilty to committing, allegedly at Donald Trump’s direction, aren’t really violations"

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"In addition, Cohen was sentenced on his guilty pleas to violating campaign finance law on Trump’s behalf – an action that, as I will explain, was not really a crime at all."


Cohen is a lawyer, and no doubt retained his own consul. So I find it hard to believe he would plead guilty and accept a 3 year jail term if what he did was not illegal.
 
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funcrusher2007 said:
I’m not sure if anyone has posted this, but very in interesting none the less...

Entire floor of d.c. federal courthouse sealed off for mystery case.


20637_court12.jpg



Worth noting Howell.
  1. Judge Howell was the one that unsealed the "Watergate Road Map", on Oct 11.
  2. This case was originally brought to docket on Oct 10.
  3. This case has the same judge (Howell) as the one who unsealed the roadmap.
  4. Howell has already ruled in the past that Mueller's mandate is constitutional.

When a person uses the attorney-client relationship to further a criminal scheme,” wrote U.S. Chief Judge Beryl Howell in the once-secret ruling, “the law is well established that a claim of attorney-client or work-product privilege must yield to the grand jury’s investigatory needs.” In other words, when a client commits a crime and the lawyer is in on it, or vice versa, both may as well forget about any claim of privilege that may exist between them. Their privileged interactions, so long as they’re connected to a criminal enterprise, are fair game for prosecutors."

Trump is toast... like Nixon toast

https://www.ajc.com/news/national-g...-off-for-mystery-case/JyerATnO5wL4gJKcS6nVJP/


Very likely that mueller had already subpoened trump.

Another interesting event
Trump’s sole appointee to that court, Gregory Katsas, recused himself
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This is it?
 
funcrusher2007 said:
I’m not sure if anyone has posted this, but very in interesting none the less...

Entire floor of d.c. federal courthouse sealed off for mystery case.


20637_court12.jpg



Worth noting Howell.
  1. Judge Howell was the one that unsealed the "Watergate Road Map", on Oct 11.
  2. This case was originally brought to docket on Oct 10.
  3. This case has the same judge (Howell) as the one who unsealed the roadmap.
  4. Howell has already ruled in the past that Mueller's mandate is constitutional.

When a person uses the attorney-client relationship to further a criminal scheme,” wrote U.S. Chief Judge Beryl Howell in the once-secret ruling, “the law is well established that a claim of attorney-client or work-product privilege must yield to the grand jury’s investigatory needs.” In other words, when a client commits a crime and the lawyer is in on it, or vice versa, both may as well forget about any claim of privilege that may exist between them. Their privileged interactions, so long as they’re connected to a criminal enterprise, are fair game for prosecutors."

Trump is toast... like Nixon toast

https://www.ajc.com/news/national-g...-off-for-mystery-case/JyerATnO5wL4gJKcS6nVJP/


Very likely that mueller had already subpoened trump.

Another interesting event
Trump’s sole appointee to that court, Gregory Katsas, recused himself
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I already posted but it was more of a synopsis . Great post.
 
PainIsLIfe said:
Perhaps he was only charged because of his association with Trump - doesn't change the fact that he committed the crimes and has now been caught.

Perhaps he should have kept a low profile and his criminal activity wouldn't have been detected
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I agree. He's not a good guy.
 
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