USADA vs VADA. - what's the difference

USADA thinks a Picogram is a way of sending images via the postal service.
 
VADA seems to be something fighters go and get on their own, Canelo did btw, they must be as good as USADA i guess.
 
Stormtrooper85 said:
WADA and VADA work together, of course they follow WADA protocol.
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This! The V in VADA stands for voluntary. They're quite similar to USADA in that they use WADA testing labs and you have to allow them to come gather test specimens at any time. They're also heavily engaged in educating athletes which I find to be a crock of shit, really. We all know why athletes dope. As long as money is involved, people will look to cheat.
http://vada-testing.org/about-vada/
 
egk said:
This! The V in VADA stands for voluntary. They're quite similar to USADA in that they use WADA testing labs and you have to allow them to come gather test specimens at any time. They're also heavily engaged in educating athletes which I find to be a crock of shit, really. We all know why athletes dope. As long as money is involved, people will look to cheat.
http://vada-testing.org/about-vada/
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I think overall since it is in fact Voluntary they are more likely to have more integrity or at least they should. I haven't heard of as many issues with VADA as I have with USADA even before their deal with UFC USADA was having problems being shady
 
Sndmn said:
What is the difference in USADA testing and VADA testing?
Do they test differently? Do they do random or schedule?
Why do you need two testing organizations?

I don't get it? Is VADA like commission testing and USADA is UFC testing?
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the differences

Collection of samples: USADA use their own staff who are all wada accredited, or other national anti doping agencies who are also Wada accredited. Its unclear who Vada use for collection and if they are accredited, but they claim to follow Wada's standards for sample collection. Unfortunately because they are not monitored by anyone (usada are monitored by wada) we have no real way of knowing

Analysis of samples: Both USADA and Vada use wada accredited labs for analysis of samples. In theory both should be analysing with similar methods, and for similar substances, but, whereas WADA publish yearly stats showing what samples analysed by what methods (which includes USADA's testing data), and USADA also publish yearly data, we know what is tested for, what substances, what methods. Theres no real way of knowing what Vada do because they dont publish any data.

Biological Passport: USADA run a biological passport on all the athletes in the pool, Vada to my knowledge do not.

Results management: Vada hand over the results to the relevant body, commission, promotor etc, whereas USADA handle the investigation and results management themselves

Data reporting: USADA publish test data (number of tests) per athlete on a weekly basis, as well as yearly reports that include how many TUE's granted, what categories they were granted in etc. Vada do not make any data available publicly.

WADA: USADA are Wada signatories and as such everything they do goes through the wada database and they are monitored to ensure compliance with the wada code. Vada are not signatories and have no relationship with wada, and as such are not overseen or monitored by anyone
 
Stormtrooper85 said:
WADA and VADA work togetherl.
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no, they dont.

Vada have no relationship with WADA whatsoever.

They are not Wada accredited in any way and they are not Wada signatories

The only thing they have in common is "ADA" which Vada chose to deliberately sow confusion and create the illusion of a relationship.
 
Thepaintbucket said:
I have no clue. You are probably right.

Here is a nice snippet from a book.

https://books.google.com/books?id=bJqFDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA261&lpg=PA261&dq=vada+accreddit&source=bl&ots=II-_GQkzhv&sig=Yjxm2JCiDzUohKnSE2FO97nkdTU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjU4Pbvw8jfAhWNHDQIHdCLCIs4ChDoATAAegQIChAB#v=onepage&q=vada accreddit&f=false
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Hauser is a moron, and a liar :D (hes also on Vada's payroll)

Vada do not conduct irms on every sample as Hauser claims. And its utterly worthless to conduct irms on every sample anyway
 
-Dim- said:
no, they dont.

Vada have no relationship with WADA whatsoever.

They are not Wada accredited in any way and they are not Wada signatories

The only thing they have in common is "ADA" which Vada chose to deliberately sow confusion and create the illusion of a relationship.
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I'm not sure who to trust here, VADA's website which clearly states their relationship with WADA or you, some guy on Sherdog.

Tough one here.
 
Stormtrooper85 said:
I think overall since it is in fact Voluntary they are more likely to have more integrity or at least they should. I haven't heard of as many issues with VADA as I have with USADA even before their deal with UFC USADA was having problems being shady
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The voluntary isn't the group. It's the athletes that volunteer to be tested. VADA is an organization that operates through donations so they're probably not any more exempt from corruption than USADA is.
 
egk said:
The voluntary isn't the group. It's the athletes that volunteer to be tested. VADA is an organization that operates through donations so they're probably not any more exempt from corruption than USADA is.
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I mean that if they are deemed corrupt, no one would volunteer for their testing.
 
Stormtrooper85 said:
I mean that if they are deemed corrupt, no one would volunteer for their testing.
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I don't remember anyone talking about USADA being corrupt tho either until they got hired by the UFC. lol
 
egk said:
I don't remember anyone talking about USADA being corrupt tho either until they got hired by the UFC. lol
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It came up frequently in boxing, I remember not understanding why anyone thought they would be any different in UFC
 
Stormtrooper85 said:
I'm not sure who to trust here, VADA's website which clearly states their relationship with WADA or you, some guy on Sherdog.

Tough one here.
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where on vada's website does it state they have a relationship with wada? Point me to where it clearly states their relationship?

edit: Ive done a site search on vada-testing.com, nowhere do they claim to have any relationship with WADA whatsoever



Now...

Go to WADA's website

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/what-we-do/the-code/code-signatories

Vada are not listed anywhere, they are not wada signatories (which is the ONLY relationship WADA have with anyone)





There are literally tens of hundreds of WADA signatories, VADA are not one. Maybe you should ask them why they arent WADA signatories



I repeat what I said originally, "VADA do not have any relationship whatsoever with WADA outside of having a confusingly (deliberate) misleading acronym"
 
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-Dim- said:
no, they dont.

Vada have no relationship with WADA whatsoever.

They are not Wada accredited in any way and they are not Wada signatories

The only thing they have in common is "ADA" which Vada chose to deliberately sow confusion and create the illusion of a relationship.
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Thanks for clearing it up.
 
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