USA vs Russia

[KnightTemplar]

Obama get ass raped by Putin's alphaness. Putin gives zero fucks.

Fixed.:icon_twis

 

[Magooglie]

It's clear while they're taking Crimea we should be taking Siberia.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

How is that a valid excuse? Sorry boys we can't win because the war is in another country and not on our border ... but man if it was we would totally kick their ass. And man, if those Afgans fought fair we'd kick their ass, and if those Vietnamese didn't hide in caves we'd have won, if North Korea didn't call China for aid and fight back on their own border we would have won, and if those Somali's didn't fight back it would have been so easy STOP FIGHTING BACK DAMNIT! You're not doing it properly and it isn't fair. But you know, if those Russians totally came over to us we'd totally kick their ass. Now I'll just go ring China and ask them to stand in one particular spot and wait for me because I can't reach them where they are now ... but when they do...!

lol



I do understand your hate tho, I'd be mad too if I had to look on enviously at a well hung super power country like America in complete awe from a shithole 3rd world country like Ireland.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Wow.

Tom, you take the internet pretty seriously, don't you?



Hyperbole, how does it work?

What in the hell is this babbling nonsense?

You have to stop pretending that you're all generals or something.. it is very embarrassing.

Motherfucker, do you even know how many games of Risk and Battleship I have under my belt?


You will address me as General AGGAMEMNON from now on, pleb.

 

[KnightTemplar]

lol



I do understand your hate tho, I'd be mad too if I had to look on enviously at a well hung super power country like America in complete awe from a shithole 3rd world country like Ireland.

Strong contender for Sherdog Burn of the Year 2014.:icon_twis

 

[ZroC]

lol



I do understand your hate tho, I'd be mad too if I had to look on enviously at a well hung super power country like America in complete awe from a shithole 3rd world country like Ireland.

It's not so bad. Apparently being a shit hole third world country is the precedent for kicking the shit out of the USA in a war.

Our minimum wage is also MUCH higher than yours and we can have free health care without crashing our own country.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

It's not so bad. Apparently being a shit hole third world country is the precedent for kicking the shit out of the USA in a war.

Our minimum wage is also MUCH higher than yours and we can have free health care without crashing our own country.

Well, at least we agree that Ireland is a shithole 3rd world country.


Good talk.

 

[MuyThaiTom]

How is that a valid excuse? Sorry boys we can't win because the war is in another country and not on our border ... but man if it was we would totally kick their ass. And man, if those Afgans fought fair we'd kick their ass, and if those Vietnamese didn't hide in caves we'd have won, if North Korea didn't call China for aid and fight back on their own border we would have won, and if those Somali's didn't fight back it would have been so easy STOP FIGHTING BACK DAMNIT! You're not doing it properly and it isn't fair. But you know, if those Russians totally came over to us we'd totally kick their ass. Now I'll just go ring China and ask them to stand in one particular spot and wait for me because I can't reach them where they are now ... but when they do...!

Because we had motives other than annihilation. That ties your hands a little bit.

 

[Thames]

Two of the biggest morons on this site duking it out with lowbrow moronic insults? This could prove mildly amusing.

AGGAMEMNON66 in the lead so far imo. ZroC why don't you tell him that the EU has a larger military than the U.S? You know, like you so eliquently showed in one of your war threads.

 

[ZroC]

Two of the biggest morons on this site duking it out with lowbrow moronic insults? This could prove mildly amusing.

AGGAMEMNON66 in the lead so far imo. ZroC why don't you tell him that the EU has a larger military than the U.S? You know, like you so eliquently showed in one of your war threads.

Hey look it's that autistic control freak who keeps stalking me.

 

[UTN1]

There is a big difference in the way Russia and the US would approach the fight. Putin would probably sacrifice millions of Russian civilians in order to win the fight which is something the Americans won't be too eager to reciprocate. And that makes a big difference.

The US has better technique and punching power but Russia has more heart and a solid chin. Russia by a UD.

 

[Thames]

Hey look it's that autistic control freak who keeps stalking me.

Would it be considered stalking if I started to write on your visitors wall? Oh wait.. That's you who do that..

Anyway, ZroC focus on the task at hand. He called Ireland a third-world shithole TWICE. Are you going to take that?

 

[KnightTemplar]

There is a big difference in the way Russia and the US would approach the fight. Putin would probably sacrifice millions of Russian civilians in order to win the fight which is something the Americans won't be too eager to reciprocate. And that makes a big difference.

The US has better technique and punching power but Russia has more heart and a solid chin. Russia by a UD.

Russia has poor stand up, it's take down defense is highly suspect and it's gas tank is way past it's prime.

America by KO.:icon_twis

 

[UTN1]

Russia has poor stand up, it's take down defense is highly suspect and it's gas tank is way past it's prime.

America by KO.:icon_twis

A motivated and in-shape US is a beast but it hasn't looked very convincing in it's last few fights. Russia has that look in it eyes.

 

[Bumble_Bee_Tuna]

^^^

This post isn't getting enough attention!!

For the people that haven't paid attention to world events for the past 70 years, superpowers do not fight each other anymore, so a US-Russia conflict is extremely unlikely.

What superpowers now do (and the US being the biggest of all is, naturally, the biggest violator) is pick on pathetically weak and defenseless adversaries and pummel them into submission.

Russia's hit list: Eastern Europe, Afghanistan.

USA's hit list: Korea, Vietnam, Granada, Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again, etc., etc., etc.

Now way these two are clashing against each other. Too costly. Picking on opponents that can't fight back in any significant way is the way it's been done for almost a century now.

That post ignores the simple point that the past is not necessarily an indicator of what the future will be. The danger to the stability (relatively speaking) of the world order remains acute.

The problem in Ukraine is a larger symptom of the cracks in the fault lines of the world order. Unfortunately, the world is in a strange place in the 21st century as it gazes into the geopolitical abyss. Ukraine is an issue and a trigger point on the map where the nuclear fault lines of superpowers intersect - that of Russia and the US.

You can look at this from two perspectives: (1) you can isolate the destabilization and unrest in Ukraine and examine it through the prism of local or national history of Ukraine itself, or (2) you can examine the situation in Ukraine holistically in relation to the larger context of the world order. To the extent that provincial thinking in geopolitical analysis limits understanding of the situation, it must be discarded as a distraction.

The Ukrainian destabilization is largely funded and supported by "the West" - the same "West" that was calling for military aggression in Syria not too long ago.

It must be noted that what the "West" (read: the American lead world) is doing geopolitically in the 21st century is extremely dangerous. All these proxy wars that flare up with Western support (be it in Syria or Ukraine) can at any time spiral out of control in unintended consequences and lead to a wider war, and eventually a world war.

The American policy of Obama is largely based on the Brzezinski school, from a vile Russophobe. Obama has been a face lift to the American Empire. It has largely continued the same policies as Bush, and perhaps even more ambitious and dangerous as it is on a wider global scale (Asia pivot), but through much more stealth and precision than the neocons, as the America now smiles while it kills.

Since coming to power at the helm of the American empire, Obama has marked a contrast from the neocons in the maintenance of the American empire. Obama has engaged in color revolutions, destabilizations, drone strikes, assassinations, coups, and other hands off approaches of divide and conquer. The neocons were much more about direct military intervention, whereas Obama's post-modern coup has been a new variant of blatant imperialism, without the troops. Brzezinski would have criticized the neocons that they focused too much on the Middle East to the exclusion of all else. In his "The Grand Chess Board" Brzezinski precisely points out that ultimate control of the world involves strategic control of the Eurasian landmass - as a check against Russia and China. Obama's largely followed that to the letter and even went further with his Asia pivot - a signal that the United States is completely reshaping its geopolitical approach to the wider world order - Russia and China. The "war on terror" is just an excuse for the US to maintain its position in the Eurasian landmass. Now that Russia has been resurgent and flexing its muscle in Syria, the US realized it has become more of a threat than previously realized. Thus, the destabilization in Ukraine. What is more evident than Uncle Sam's hand in the pie? The leaked conversation of Victoria's secret - the vile and obscene Ms. Victoria Nuland, aka Ms. Robert Kagan - a neocon.

As the de-Americanization of the world has posed a question - challenging America's superiority - America has become more desperate and hence its media and politicians don't even hide their outright and blatant collusion with and support for these destabilization movements. It appears there isn't an Islamist terrorist or a fascist brown shirt that McCain doesn't know.

Even in Asia, with China's growing strength, America has been sabre-rattling China via its vassal states in Japan and Philippines - i.e., given the green light for Japan to scrap its defensive military in favor of an offensive one. The US also uses its vassal state in the Philippines as another check against China via the conflict of shipping routes, sea lanes and disputes.

The world now, much like the world in 1914 stands on the brink of a Sarajevo moment, I would argue. Maybe war will not start literally in 2014, but if you examine history in the last 500 years, at the beginning of each century, there have been breakouts of large wars

• 1600s - Thirty Years' War
  
• 1700s - War of the Spanish succession
  
• 1800s - Napoleonic wars
  
• 1900s - World War I
  
• 2000s - Where are we now?

It's interesting to note that World War I started 100 years ago and involved the same sort of antics that grips the situation in Ukraine. The Austro-Hungarian Empire annexed Bosnia which angered the "Slavic" Serbs, who had Russia backing them up. Here we have Russia annexing the Crimea (which historically Russia fought for and gave as a gift to Ukraine) and attempting to unite the "Russian" speakers of the Ukraine in an effort to check the expansion of NATO on its doorstep.

 

[ZroC]

A motivated and in-shape US is a beast but it hasn't looked very convincing in it's last few fights. Russia has that look in it eyes.

USA is Wladimir Klitschko. A worthy champ who hasn't been faced with a real test since he won the title. Now he has a real test and we get to see if it's a Mike Tyson or a David Haye.

 

[whougonnacall]

lol



I do understand your hate tho, I'd be mad too if I had to look on enviously at a well hung super power country like America in complete awe from a shithole 3rd world country like Ireland.

careful yank....the last time u got into it with a tiny country they sent u home to mama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSZosqXOyc0 :icon_chee

 

[Possum Jenkins]

That post ignores the simple point that the past is not necessarily an indicator of what the future will be. The danger to the stability (relatively speaking) of the world order remains acute.

The problem in Ukraine is a larger symptom of the cracks in the fault lines of the world order. Unfortunately, the world is in a strange place in the 21st century as it gazes into the geopolitical abyss. Ukraine is an issue and a trigger point on the map where the nuclear fault lines of superpowers intersect - that of Russia and the US.

Whatever "geopolitical abyss" there may be now isn't anywhere as grave the one in place in the early 20th century.

Mass warfare between powers was a viable option back then. Not anymore. The formation of the UN and international law have, to a great degree, prevented these massive, destructive wars.

There are crises and there is certainly cause for concern, but any significant armed conflict between the two powers is very unlikely, IMO.

Their populations wouldn't stand it, for one. I mean, people (rightly) make a big deal about the 5,000 dead soldiers during the fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq during the last 12 years. Well, if you engage with Russia, you could reach those numbers in a month, easily.

 

[Scrody]

America has conventional warfare on lock. The first actual battle would have Russians deserting in droves.

This. It goes for every nation too. In a conventional fight, I don't think there's a single nation that could win against the US.

 

[tkotom]

lol



I do understand your hate tho, I'd be mad too if I had to look on enviously at a well hung super power country like America in complete awe from a shithole 3rd world country like Ireland.

Calm down.

There are 50 million people in the United States, living in poverty. Nobody is keen on that.

People are envious of Scandinavian countries and Australia, not a country that has more homeless people than there are people in the most livable city in the world, Melbourne.