USA vs Russia

[Selukrid612]

Germany said the same thing.

Right now, it's not about your amount of troops, or war ships, or amount of nukes. It's about your hacking capabilities. China and Russia beat out the u.s. and pretty much every other country in that regard. Not just that, but if shit really hits the fan you can bank that Latin America will invade the u.s.

LMAO at a Latin American invasion of the US. A true invasion of the US by anyone is not even a remote concern or possibility, let alone some ragtag Latin American coalition. The US can successfully dominate battlefields on the other side of the world, imagine the resources it could bring to bear in it's own backyard. There wouldn't even be a land battle unless the US started attacking down through Mexico. Any potential buildup of forces could be annihilated through the air alone.

 

[WARserra]

 

[RoninJin]

Putin isn't trying to seize all of ukraine, just the crimea. This is worth remembering - he is avoiding the parts in which armed resistance is likely.

Why have a piece of a pie when you can attempt to have the whole thing.

 

[RoninJin]

In a ground war, what much more tactically advanced technology does the US have that is such a game changer, it will guarantee us victory? Do our tanks, which I hear we are getting rid of, have covenant cloaking devices? Do our helicopters?

As for "cyber hacking", yeh sure we can hack each others emails during peacetime, when the only topics the top brass are discussing is what they are doing this weekend, or which drill and who will be running them today, (while practicing secrecy for the sake of it) but I imagine during wartime, the lines of communication will be more secure and not via the world wide web.

I dont man. I was watching history channel the other day on a hour and half long on modern day U.S. military capability and I was fucken blown away. Anything from B-152, 51 stealth aircraft, to anti-rader helicopter, U.S. has no problem making. I forgot the name of this one aircraft but it has the ability to shoot missile backward at pursuing fighters. Thats fucken scary. Then it went on to outline U.S. Bradley tanks, STRYKERS, Navy carriers, to top of the line submarines.

Not to mentions Drones capabilities and the Special ops folks (Seals, SF, Delta)

Then you see Russia and its ass backward country and just wouldn't match up

 

[whougonnacall]

Why have a piece of a pie when you can attempt to have the whole thing.

because (gonna run with the analogy) he could choke trying to eat the whole 'pie'
Checneya could seem like a sweet dream compared to trying to take all of the ukraine
Given the logistics problems alone russia cant take it all even if they had completely modernized all their military (read somewhere only roughly 20% of their forces are comparable to u.s or european ones despite putins drive to modernize them)

 

[RoninJin]

because (gonna run with the analogy) he could choke trying to eat the whole 'pie'
Checneya could seem like a sweet dream compared to trying to take all of the ukraine
Given the logistics problems alone russia cant take it all even if they had completely modernized all their military (read somewhere only roughly 20% of their forces are comparable to u.s or european ones despite putins drive to modernize them)

i understand where you are coming from, but Russian history (Afghanistan, Georiga) will often hint to us, they will attempt it

 

[whougonnacall]

i understand where you are coming from, but Russian history (Afghanistan, Georiga) will often hint to us, they will attempt it

dunno doubt it
think they will just seal borders and declare crimea (or the pro russian crowd there will) an independent state now

 

[ALE]

i saw russian soldiers equipped with AK47 but being serious, who need good rifles when you have atomic bombs.

 

[LionExMachina]

This is the question no one has an answer to. I have seen so many people say Obama is showing weakness and talk about Reagan wouldnt stand for it. But when you ask these people what would you do that would make Russia stop invading Ukraine, they have no answer. The truth is America is fed up with wars and are not interested in another war. They have seen thousands of their soldiers die and 10s of thousands with serious injuries for a nothing war

It seems theres not a whole lot Obama can do.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/world/europe/russia-to-pay-not-so-simple.html?hp&_r=0

 

[Rusk]

If US tries to invade Russia, they will get brutally raped in the ass like the rest of invaders.

In any other scenario US wins, and its not even close. The way i see it Russia got no advantages over US, unless Russia fights at home.

But most likely everyone loses this war.

 

[SilvaP4P]

If US tries to invade Russia, they will get brutally raped in the ass like the rest of invaders.

In any other scenario US wins, and its not even close. The way i see it Russia got no advantages over US, unless Russia fights at home.

But most likely everyone loses this war.

In WW2,Russia lost almost 30 million people to a US size state.

 

[Videer]

Russia has nonexistant chances in conventional war, even if it involved invading Russia proper.

 

[ScriptReadsMe]

I dont man. I was watching history channel the other day on a hour and half long on modern day U.S. military capability and I was fucken blown away. Anything from B-152, 51 stealth aircraft, to anti-rader helicopter, U.S. has no problem making. I forgot the name of this one aircraft but it has the ability to shoot missile backward at pursuing fighters. Thats fucken scary. Then it went on to outline U.S. Bradley tanks, STRYKERS, Navy carriers, to top of the line submarines.

Not to mentions Drones capabilities and the Special ops folks (Seals, SF, Delta)

Then you see Russia and its ass backward country and just wouldn't match up

Germany was years ahead technologically compared to the Soviet Union in WW2. Everything Germany fielded was vastly superior to the SU equivalent, but clearly it wasn't enough when you're taking numbers into account.

On the other hand, Russia is slowly isolating itself as we speak, it was very few allies remaining. This could very well play in favor of the US, because technology alone won't help.

Anyway, pointless to say that the next war will be fought with sticks and stones. :icon_chee

 

[lapollarecords]

In WW2,Russia lost almost 30 million people to a US size state.

and would have lost the war if Germany wasn't fighting in multiple fronts against multiple enemies(Atlantic, Mediterranean/North Africa, partisans in the Balkans, european skies, Italy and France later).

but because nazis were willing to exterminate the russians, they would have done it if they had all their resources available and their industrial cities free from bombing. americans don't do that stuff, so if they invaded Russia they'd fight a long guerrilla war until having to retire Vietnam style because of home dissent. with 60s technology available to them, nazis would have finished Vietnam in 3 years via vietnamese people becoming extinct.

MMA is not the only context where styles make fights.

 

[ZroC]

Has there been any major war post WW2 that the USA hasn't had a hard time dealing with? A good chunk of the wars the US has fought against non-powers could probably be summed up as losses or stalemates. The USA even struggled to fight China back when they were under trained and coming off famine and the utter decimation of WW2. Yet people are talking about the USA raping Russia as if it's nothing. Beautiful. In before the scores of excuses telling us all how none of those wars count because this was in that location against those guys who were doing that.

 

[MuyThaiTom]

Has there been any major war post WW2 that the USA hasn't had a hard time dealing with? A good chunk of the wars the US has fought against non-powers could probably be summed up as losses or stalemates. The USA even struggled to fight China back when they were under trained and coming off famine and the utter decimation of WW2. Yet people are talking about the USA raping Russia as if it's nothing. Beautiful. In before the scores of excuses telling us all how none of those wars count because this was in that location against those guys who were doing that.

Its because these have all been limited wars where mainland USA is in no way threatened. They are more like special missions.

A hypothetical war with Russia would not be limited, it would get very serious.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Just watched the Fareed show on DVR.. Dude who said: "If the Canadian government were to collapse, the ELECTED PM thrown out, and had street gangs enforcing mob rule in the streets while the "new" gov started enacting new anti-American trade (and other) laws America would obviously flip out" got cut off rather quickly and had his views labeled "contrarian." While Albrecht stuck with the old American propaganda lines and was basically applauded. The U.S did help Kosovo do the same thing Crimea wanted to do. Little differences, but REALITY is the U.S was more interested in completing the Destabilization of the former Yugoslavia than Russia is in destabilizing its own region..

 

[ZroC]

Its because these have all been limited wars where mainland USA is in no way threatened. They are more like special missions.

A hypothetical war with Russia would not be limited, it would get very serious.

How is that a valid excuse? Sorry boys we can't win because the war is in another country and not on our border ... but man if it was we would totally kick their ass. And man, if those Afgans fought fair we'd kick their ass, and if those Vietnamese didn't hide in caves we'd have won, if North Korea didn't call China for aid and fight back on their own border we would have won, and if those Somali's didn't fight back it would have been so easy STOP FIGHTING BACK DAMNIT! You're not doing it properly and it isn't fair. But you know, if those Russians totally came over to us we'd totally kick their ass. Now I'll just go ring China and ask them to stand in one particular spot and wait for me because I can't reach them where they are now ... but when they do...!

 

[RTR ATL]

Has there been any major war post WW2 that the USA hasn't had a hard time dealing with? A good chunk of the wars the US has fought against non-powers could probably be summed up as losses or stalemates. The USA even struggled to fight China back when they were under trained and coming off famine and the utter decimation of WW2. Yet people are talking about the USA raping Russia as if it's nothing. Beautiful. In before the scores of excuses telling us all how none of those wars count because this was in that location against those guys who were doing that.

For starters, the ROE would be different.

 

[Da Beard]

Murica get ass raped by Putin's alphaness. Putin gives zero fucks.